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Kaczyński slams "political correctness" plague in Poland


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Oct 2015 #1
Speaking in Legionowie PiS leader J. Kaczyński said "political correctness" limits freedom of speech and scientific research. He mentioned those (in other countries) languishing in prison for refusing to marry homosexuals or daring to have their own view on the subject. He said Poland should never buckle under to that toxic trend even if Poland were to become an island of freedom in Europe and the world. "Freedom is a part of our identity, our Polishness," he emphasized.

The PF's Harryesque hypocrites who might come back with "Show me where anyone is in a Polish prison for that!" will be unhappy because he is effectively warning Poles against what might be just round the corner, esp. of PO's libertine loons come to power. They prefer to hush it down so it can silently seep over and take hold and be difficult to undo.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
18 Oct 2015 #2
languishing in prison for refusing to marry homosexuals

She refused to do her job. It was not her job to write legislation.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
18 Oct 2015 #3
Freedom is a part of our identity, our Polishness," he emphasised.

So why is Kaczyńśki proposing essentially state control over all aspect of our lives? It reminds me of the PZPR propaganda.

She refused to do her job. It was not her job to write legislation.

As we all remember, PiS were very fond of punishing people that refused to do their job.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Oct 2015 #4
She refused to do her job

If you were told to gas a Jew as part of your job, what would you do?
Never heard of the conscious clause? If something violates a person's conscience he cannot be forced to perform some act.
No-one should be forced to commit the pre-natal murder of an innocent unborn or become the unwilling accomplice to sexual perversion (homo marriage)!
Roger5 1 | 1,455
18 Oct 2015 #5
We've gone from an uppity clerk (and an astounding hypocrite) to gassing Jews, murder and, inevitably given the poster, homosexuality. Not much point in discissing this, then.
Harry
18 Oct 2015 #6
You weren't expecting Polonius to use things such as reason and logic, were you?
Anyway, good to see the Duck speaking in public, reminding everybody what failing to vote for PO will result in.
Wulkan - | 3,243
18 Oct 2015 #7
reminding everybody what failing to vote for PO will result in.

Just 7 more days and you will see a big fail in people voting for PO
mafketis 29 | 10,322
18 Oct 2015 #8
f you were told to gas a Jew as part of your job, what would you do?

So, gay people wanting to get married = nazis shooting jews. But since you think it's okay to joke about mass killings of jews I guess that's not so bad after all.

Never heard of the conscious clause? If something violates a person's conscience he cannot be forced to perform some act.

Then you resign. Her job is not to set policy it's to carry out policy set by lawmakers. If she can't do that in good conscience then she should resign.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
18 Oct 2015 #9
Refusing to celebrate a homosexual wedding and refusing to send Jews to gas chamber = same level?????!!!!!! ;););). If referring to the 3 times divorced redneck US bigot who spent 7 days in jail, yes, if she does not want to respect laws, she needs to resign from her job. As to refusing to send people to death, I agree to disobedience
johnny reb 31 | 6,327
18 Oct 2015 #10
As to refusing to send people to death, I agree to disobedience

Does that include abortion ?
jon357 69 | 18,457
18 Oct 2015 #11
So, gay people wanting to get married = nazis shooting jews. But since you think it's okay to joke about mass killings of jews I guess that's not so bad after all.

Par for the course sadly:

Jews....bastards

And comments like this (despite doing the Kaczynski-ite cause no favours at all) is a sniff of the kind of rhetoric we expect from Kaczynski and his gang. I'm surprised they didn't gag him pre-election, to avoid losing them votes.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
18 Oct 2015 #12
Kaczyńśki

YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE BLOKE BUT AT LEAST SPELL HIS NAME CORRECTLY.
Harry
18 Oct 2015 #13
I'm surprised they didn't gag him pre-election, to avoid losing them votes.

I'm not at all surprised, he's the Dear Leader and behaves like it. Not that I mind the Duck speaking in public: each time he does he gains zero votes for PIS but certainly drives more voters away from PIS and towards PO.

Please read this thread before posting any future comments in political threads
polishforums.com/feedback/warning-posters-changing-names-famous-67569/
Wulkan - | 3,243
18 Oct 2015 #14
each time he does he gains zero votes for PIS but certainly drives more voters away from PIS and towards PO.

Or so you like to believe.
Harry
18 Oct 2015 #15
Please read this thread before posting any future comments in political threads

Fair enough. I thought that rule has been dropped, certain posts very much suggested that it had been. Am I correct in thinking that this also applies to changing names of political parties, for example the "POO" name favoured by certain posters?

It would be nice if members used the proper terms for parties, but calling public figures by their correct names is a must.
Roger5 1 | 1,455
18 Oct 2015 #16
If you can't use "The Dear Leader", then satire is dead. This forum becomes more sanitised by the day in some ways, and more extreme in others.
Vincent 9 | 864 Moderator
18 Oct 2015 #17
This forum becomes more sanitised by the day in some ways, and more extreme in others.

It's a political thread. What is your problem with using correct names, so that members outside of Poland can follow the thread too?
POisamonster
18 Oct 2015 #18
"political corectness" is the new, harshest dictatorship.

It is cool to say nowadays "white heterosexual men are to blame for everything", but if you say that about gays, you land in prison...
Wulkan - | 3,243
18 Oct 2015 #19
for example the "POO" name favoured by certain posters?

That's just heavy finger syndrome, sometimes you just keep the finger down for too long and get double "o".
jon357 69 | 18,457
18 Oct 2015 #20
Same perhaps with the S in PiS...
InPolska 11 | 1,821
18 Oct 2015 #21
@Wulkan; I do not know anyone in favor of Kukiz. Can you say why you believe in him? According to a lot of people I mingle with, he has no program. The only thing making up his "program" was the socalled JOW idea but as we have seen over 94% of Polish voters are against it. He may probably have a few people elected (including ... Liroy ;)) but to do what? Being "against" the system while benefiting from it is no program. I believe that Kukiz is helped by the calendar because should the election be held next year or later, he would have completely disappeared from the political scene.

You say that in your family too, they'll vote for Kukiz15. Why?

Thanks to explain! :)
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
20 Oct 2015 #22
S in PiS...

Now you are defintiely taking the PiS!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
21 Oct 2015 #23
It's a political thread. What is your problem with using correct names, so that members outside of Poland can follow the thread too?

Is it permitted to use Dear Leader Kaczyński? It will be entirely appropriate sooner rather than later ;)
Vincent 9 | 864 Moderator
21 Oct 2015 #24
Is it permitted to use Dear Leader Kaczyński?

Is this how he's addressed on his mail or credit card? If not why bother? I thought you welcomed the rule in an ex-mods thread, "as it lowers the tone of the discussion".
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
21 Oct 2015 #25
...to be fair, would it actually surprise anyone if he received mail addressed that way? No chance of a credit card to that name though, given his famous lack of a bank account.

To be honest though Vincent, I wish you would bring back the rule requiring real names to always be used and none of this childish ******* nonsense.
Dougpol1 32 | 2,673
21 Oct 2015 #26
I am 100 percent with Kaczynski on this one.

My brother suffered great misfortune, and then to round it off, had a serious accident and was on life support for three weeks. Nary a word from those PC people, or the police, although I am his next of kin, and they were legally obliged to contact me. SCUM.

It has taken me a full week to get the full story, begging on the phone for information, even though the UK social workers and hospitals knew I was who I said I was, and my brother would have wanted me to know the full extent of his condition.

All sorted now, but at first it was long and exhausting telephone calls, kept on-hold, existing of "We can't tell you, because of patient confidentiality.." and "We are not allowed to discuss the patients' ongoing medical problems.."

Terrible for the poor staff to have to quote all this.

That PC stuff is alright, when you live in the same country, and can pop in on a regular basis, but I was doing my ******* nut, worrying about my brother, and they blathered on like this.
jon357 69 | 18,457
21 Oct 2015 #27
Though the story you tell Doug sounds awful and I can understand very much how you were worried, distressed and probably bloody angry, I'd question whether it has anything to do with PC or whether it's about what they are legally able to do and say. You and I might bend rules - they get prosecuted if they do that and this has certainly happened.

Kaczynski's rhetoric was playing to a crowd and misunderstands (perhaps deliberately) what PC means (it's all about using language in a way that doesn't demean). He may well rail about people's rights etc, but to draw an analogy with your situation, a couple can live together for 60 years and when one becomes ill they have no right to any information at all or even a hospital visit whereas the doctors consult a cousin or whatever - simply because the couple are both ladies or gentlemen and when one dies the other has no right even to attend the funeral. This has all changed (though only informally in Poland) and it's an improvement. The situation you were in with your brother is more a bureaucratic failing - not that this excuses it or lessens your stress - than a 'PC' or rights thing. Needs improving too though.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,535
21 Oct 2015 #28
The only thing making up his "program" was the socalled JOW idea but as we have seen over 94% of Polish voters are against it.

Where did you get this data from? Someone who didn't vote Kukiz may still be for the idea of JOW. Even if it were so, Kukiz's result (20,8%) in the presidential election should suggest that 80% of voters and not 94% are against the JOWs.

It would be nice if members used the proper terms for parties, but calling public figures by their correct names is a must.

The PF's Harryesque hypocrites

What about calling PF's 'parties', even the informal ones like the one just named by Polo? If it is an informal group, one cannot expect a formal name for it, so it may be helpful in a way.

Both 'POO' and 'the Duck' may be misleading for some members or readers, but "the Great Leader" is evidently an allusion and such a comprehensible allusion should be allowed, in my view.
gumishu 11 | 5,857
21 Oct 2015 #29
a couple can live together for 60 years and when one becomes ill they have no right to any information at all or even a hospital visit whereas the doctors consult a cousin or whateve

it can all be fixed by a notary document jon - don't pretend
InPolska 11 | 1,821
21 Oct 2015 #30
@Ziem: if Kukiz does have a program and you kow it, just tell me/us about it. He made 20% in May simply because he claimed to be "anti systèm" and this always appeals to a lot of dissastified citizens. Around 90% of people voting for him are 18-20 year old kids with no knowledge in anything. He claims to be "anti system" and is a rock singer so for those kids it's enough ;)


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