Israel furious as Poland signs law to limit property claims

@mafketis

Agreed!

@Rich, that's a typical cop out response. Christians did indeed lose their property, however not exclusively because they were Christians No matter how the Jews tried to ingratiate themselves into gentile society, the latter were never satisfied.

Because the latter seldom saw Jews as miners, farmers, carpenters, welders, car repairmen, plumbers, firemen, sailors, or cops.
Oops, sorry, we saw Jews as cops but only as UB.
"Ingratiate" to infiltrate, but not to blend to become indistinguishable.

Sure, because the Jews en masse didn't want to convert to Christianity, a prerequisite for joining the military as well as the tradesmen's guilds-:)

I totally understand. To buy tools and fix sinks, one had to be a card-carrying Christian.

Yes, that's basically correct.

Have you seen a Christian ID card?
You meany a guy would walk into a hardware store to buy tools and the clerk would say, can I see your Christian ID? No card, no shoes, no tools?

Are we talking about Poland between 1918 and 1939?

...but they sure didn't mind faking being communists as a prerequisite to join the secret police and get top government jobs as Soviet collaborators. Actually, they loved it as far as I know.

But, faking Christianity to be able to work like everybody else by signing a piece of paper, hell, no way, that would be immoral and an unforgivable sin...

Not aware of Jews high up in the Sejm during Communist times as compared with East Germany, e.g. spymaster Markus Wolff, Klaus Gysi or Hermann Axen etc.

Said the master of deflection. Who the hell mentioned anything about Sejm?

Sejm - like Congress here - were moppets doing what they were told by the ruling gangsters. Those, the gangsters, were Jewish, invisible, with fake Polish names. I know because I lived there then and along with my buddy would go to school in his dad's chauffeur-driven black limo. BTW, it was a Mercedes, not Warszawa.

You don't know me-:)

Jesus was a Jew and so was his father and they were both carpenters.

Let's start things up again.

This article describes a lot of the problems around "reprivatization" that the new law is trying to stop. It's not primarily about Jews (as hard as it is for some to understand that)

theguardian.com/cities/2017/dec/18/stole-city-soul-warsaw-reprivatisation-chaos#comment-109853947

some highlights:

there is an open market where people sell and by claims

claims are based on pre WWII land divisions which often have little to do with modern divisions.

many/most of these buildings were piles of rubble in 1944 (after the uprising) and any rebuilding was done by ordinary people why should "reprivatization" return property built long after WWII?

lots of phony claims (my favorite was the absent 130 year old "living" owner who "could not be located"

lots more in the article.

My position: the law is a good idea but handled in the usual cack-handed PR disaster bumbling way by PiS

Hi guys, this file ( Israel/vs. Poland ) is closed for now please. Take a break. Start a new thread about something more interesting and more important for Poland like a weather or flowers or.....something others.

Jerzy Urban For one. I don't have lists who is who like you, so I remember him.

Are you sure about that?

No comments on my link, anyone?

Okay I'll throw out a provocative bit of bait....

The ones most against this law are the ones who want to profit dishonestly (or want others to).

Pretty sure, generations of Warsaw Jews (his ancestors) attest to that fact. Minister in Jaruzelski regime.


I know about it. What to comment? Yet another reason I don't support PiS as per usual nobody wnet to prison or lost fruits of his/her crime. Disgusting.

Oh, come on, don't you know that they are special?

They certainly don't behave Chosen! Many hide their filthy deeds beneath the shreimel aka cassock of pious fraudulence, making the rest of us honest, assimilated Jews look even worse than we already do.

I will comment.
I think that it is disgusting to hand property back to the grandchildren of the people that owned those properties originally.
Too much time has passed and the current owners have more rights to that property than the owners over 70 years ago.

'US' ?
We have already established that you are not a practicing jew.
Referring to yourself as a jew, Lyzko, is like me calling myself Polish.
You are using the word "we" very loosely here.
It's the "we" jews that are the ones howling for retributions that they have no right to anymore than I have compensation rights for my grandparents being forced out of Poland because of the war.

You really do need to accept things the way they are and not the way you want them.

@Rich Hey, you're a historical Pole and I'm a historical Jew! LOL

Historical jews (pretend jews) have no claim to Polish property claims.

Let's the crap. Have a claim? Sue.

'Cuz someone doesn't go to Church but once in a blue moon, yet keeps Christian in their heart, does it makes them a "pretend" Christian???! If that's cardiac religion, place me under cardiac arrest, I dare ya:-)

Oh, I have no family in Poland to which the present conflict applies, so I'm exempt from all the wranglingLOL

No, it makes them a non participating Christian.
My name for them is; "Surface Christians."


O.k., so you are claiming to be a "Non participating Surface jew" by how many generations removed ?


The way you bang on about any and every subject about the poor abused jews and claiming that you are a jew, would make one wonder about that.

What about all the suffering and losses the Polish Catholics suffered ?


And that is exactly what we have been trying to tell you throughout this entire thread.
I am glad it finally sunk in.

We all comment on matters outside our immediate experience, don't we?

Yes you do, especially when it comes to anything jewish which you are not immediately connected to.

I'm a historical Jew. We do Passover, Shevuot, and Di bakes sufganyot once a Purim for the kids.