The Iran war and Poland

...humour me and imagine the rise of a new Hitler in Germany. A new '33 if you so want....a new-Hitler which becomes immediately best buddy with Moscow.....and wants former german land back, and generally has not much use for Poles as neighbours, who would find a direct border with Russia so much better.....should Poland do something before the **** hits the fan or just let it all play out...again! What would you advise?

What would be right and what would be wrong in this situation?

Iran has repeatedly spoken about the idea of erasing Israel from the map.... that tends to dilute support.

Similar with Gazans... does anyone doubt that they'd kill all the Jews in Israel if they were able? Again, not the most sympathetic.

On the other hand, Ukrainian rhetoric toward russia was mostly non-existent or simply wishes for russia to vacate internationally recognized Ukrainian land (and/or the general desire to move away from the russian language).

It's not always about one side...

It's not so much about making "a move towards Europe". It's about disrupting energy supply, global suply chains (espcially shipping) and also what they may do with their proxi stooges like the Houthis.


It does. See above. Even if they don't use Iranian oil, any disruption does affect POland.


Israel is part of it, and Iran would (and probably will) attack other western countries' assets and bases. They have already attacked shipping in the straight of Hormuz. If they attack the big UK naval base in Qatar (which also has an American presence) the missiles will start flying.

Imagine there is no heaven; it's easy if you try. This notion relates to Lennon's vision within his communist manifesto, but I prefer not to let my imagination run wild.

Your scenario seems to be aimed at evoking empathy towards Israel. I'm sorry, but I don't lack empathy. I feel deep sorrow for the toddlers being killed every day in Gaza, for instance, which is something you seem to overlook.

However, I don't focus on emotion; I rely on reason. Reason tells me that the parallels you want me to draw are misleading.

I assume you want to argue that Israel is acting in self-defense and that its actions are preemptive strikes. However, such a policy raises serious questions. How far would you go in combating real, perceived, or even imaginary threats? This mindset borders on paranoia rather than representing a sound foreign policy.
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Trump makes boastful claims almost every day, and these are part of his bargaining strategy. Would it be too far-fetched to assume that the same is true for Iran?
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Why not make a deal with Iran? They can guarantee an oil supply and save passage. Israel can guarantee chaos and WWIII.

Israel is currently in the process of erasing the Palestinians from the map. That policy is the core essence of Zionism.

Iran is a supporter of the Palestinians who have the right to resist occupation. The mad mullahs would not be in charge if it were not for the US/UK Coup which installed the crazed torturer. It takes some mad dictatorial sh!t to have Communists, nationalists, the business community and clerics uniting to remove you.

I dont know about Poland but British TV and papers have been full of the Sha's son this weekend. I dont know which rock the corrupt slid out from under but this has the look of Iraq about it. False stories about WMDs, intelligence led "imminent threats" and the Iranian Chalabi personified by yer man.


I would say its a deliberate policy to make Iran bend the knee and all the NATO countries are involved.

Of course that has been the plan since 9-11. Regime change in any ME country overlty hostile to Israel. They are just behind on their schedule.

The reason is that both China and Russia put an end to NATO's rampage after Libya. No more rubber stamp or abstentions hence the "west's" support for the head choppers in Syria. Syria was sanctioned for doing less than Israel is doing but they are pumped with weapons and intelligence.

How else do you try to decide what for other peoples would be right or wrong?


Hency my couldbe-scenario!

Unlikely to happen again but did happen before....and you can't tell me seriously that any try (and success) to take Hitler out before 1939 wouldn't had spared Poland and Europe including Germany and even the world lotsa suffering and grief!

So...yes...it would had been an attack....but yes, it would had been the right decision!

Its the same with Israel and the nearly-nuke-ready-Mullahs! They just can't wait till the Mullahs press the button!

Guaranteed by who?

@mafketis
The same people/organisations that insist Israel has a right to defend itself.

I suspect people have tried their damndest to do that over the decades.

@jon357
There was a deal, though not ideal was working well then Trump blew it up.

The problem is that there is very little that can be done to halt Iran's nuclear program. In fact, the military strikes have only encouraged Iran to pursue nuclear weapons, which they had been delaying.

Israel's actions appear to be intensifying the potential for conflict in the Middle East, perhaps hoping that the US and NATO will come to their aid.
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Do you have any evidence to support your suspicion? It seems that the U.S. has labeled Iran as a bad actor for a long time and has not changed its stance. Furthermore, Iran has not developed nuclear weapons despite the scrutiny. Given the current situation, that may change; if they possessed nuclear weapons, no one would dare to attack them.

In other words, entities that have no power to guarantee such a thing.

Erm....even if that would be the truth, my belief is in Israel that they bomb them back to the stone age before they let that happen.

One survived genocide will be forever enough!


IMHO its the other way around.... the decision by Trump to not support Israel in that way anymore might have swayed Netanjahu to give the nod to this attack...it might have been different if the US would still be ready and willing to be a player in the ME....

There has been intense talks shortly before between Washington and Jerusalem....and the Pentagon knew everything ("Pizza night"), but they did nothing. I guess that's how its going from now on!

Do you have any evidence to support your 'suspicion' they haven't.

Do follow world affairs if you're going to comment on them.


True, and there's been talks of different sorts for decades.

Nevertheless, they try to undermine everything and also practise hostage diplomacy.


Programme. And yes, it can be halted very easily (and has). Enriching uranium is slow and not at all easy.

Which is why Iran will in all probability rush for the bomb and the Palestinians will nevertheless continue to resist genocide while NATO cheers Israel on.


No rules based order ∴ nothing to undermine

these liberal war mongers are embarrassing.

Only attempts to make the world a better, safer and more equitable place. Far too many cvnts of all nations try that

Are the bombs net zero and gender neutral?

@amiga500
Not really net zero, however certainly gender neutral.

Apart from the Seppos' nukes. Those two were a Little Boy and a Fat Man.

And their mother Enola was definitely Gay.

Jon you are starting to sound like a maga guy.

The collapse of the Soviet Union basically let the NATO countries off the leash and look what they did. In a weird way Putin was correct when he said the collapse was "The greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century".

Did the Jews ever apologize to Great Britain for the murders of numerous Brits and acts of terrorism during the Mandate?

No he sounds just ike Tony Blair.

Or the opposite.


What did we do?

The Soviet Union was an evil thing. 80 million people through the Gulag system, repeated genocide and constant hunger. There was a reason they had to build a wall to atipnpeople leaving.


All of them?

Ok I'll rephrase. Did Israel?
As in did the polish jews apologise haha

The point is that Israel lacks the capability to bomb Iran into submission; Iran is not like Serbia, which can be easily overwhelmed by military force.
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In my opinion, there are several factors at play. First, Netanyahu seems to need ongoing conflicts to keep himself out of prison. Israel believes that escalating tensions with Iran will pressure them into some form of submission.

The U.S. is content to let Israel take the lead, planning to step in at the right moment like a sheriff restoring order. However, there's a risk of miscalculation; Israel's Plan B might be to drag the U.S. into a war with Iran. That would be disastrous for the U.S., as they are not prepared to engage in another conflict like Vietnam.

We shouldn't jump to conclusions, as there are still several levels of escalation that could occur among all the actors involved.

Most Israelis have their roots in the MENA region.


This is true, however they are vulnerable to carpet bombing by long range aircraft and as a last resort, if it's very existence is under immediate threat, Israel can nuke Tehran and their other main cities. It's not perfect, since Iran is so vast and empty that the regime leaders can hide anywhere.

Simply saying no would be sufficient; you don't need to snap at me just because you lack evidence for your claim.
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As far as I know, they have already produced enough enriched uranium, so that's not the main issue. Up until now, they haven't been trying to build nuclear weapons, but that could change. Those bombings did not destroy crucial instruments that are well-hidden in underground complexes.
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Snap back.

What evidence do you 'need'? Decades of diplomacy? Google is your friend and ChatGPT is your friend with benefits.


Hence the bombing of the sites where they do it and where their nuclear technicians are.