The Iran war and Poland

It was revived by the Shah in the twentieth century. What they were doing 590 years ago is neither here nor there.

At least their nuclear programme has been destroyed, and it would be appropriate that any other arms manufacturers are also taken out of action, especially those that sell drones to pariah states.


As you know, Poland and most other European countries benefitted from relatively low worldwide oil prices that existed for several years caused by the rise in production after the Iraq war, so yes, better.

It's also gained people from Iraq, especially doctors, engineers and academics who have settled in PL and co tribute to the economy. It's likely, given Poland's historic links with Iran, that the Iranian community, again, educated professionals, will settle too.

As you so blatantly demonstrate, your comments-so characteristic of your British insensitivity-are not only grossly inaccurate but also shockingly tone deaf. Dismissing the sacrifices of Polish military personnel-those who have paid the ultimate price and endured grievous injuries-by trivializing them as insignificant compared to economic factors or migration trends is nothing short of contemptible. Their sacrifice demands respect and recognition, not your petty attempts to diminish it with dismissive and insincere narratives. Your provocations expose a disturbing insensitivity and a blatant, unforgivable disregard for human life and suffering. You will always be an Anglo.

Everything except legality.

Whatever happens the big takeaway is the so called free world doesn't give a fcuk about the rules they wrote. No more whinging about Ukraine and no more whinging about the twin towers in America.

Trump does what all us presidents do and their puppies trot along beside them.

True. Nobody's declared war yet.

We forget that this wasn't a preemptive strike since Iran had launched missiles on Iraq days before.

Much as Bibi has crossed the line in Gaza, Iran, a pariah state sworn to destroy his country, can't be allowed to build nukes.


"Whinging"? Being appalled at the atrocities Bucha, Mariupol and elsewhere isn't whinging. And r*SSia is an even bigger dangler to the world than Iran. We should never appease such places. If we'd not shilly shallied dirimgntehnmid/late 30s about Germany, the world would be a very different place now.


It's hard to know if Trup is actually in charge. He lacks the intellectual capacity and is in obviously poor health. For sure he's not running things. My ,only is on Vance, a wicked human being.

@jon357
I am not a fan of Putin or his invasion, I think the twin towers attack was unforgivable. The point is that there is clearly an a la cart attitude to this. Israel is allowed to do anything it wishes with impunity and I find that disturbing. Israel is a nuclear state and we all know how they became so, they then went on to helpApartheid South Africa develop wmds with no consequences. I have guesses but really don't understand why their abhorrent behaviour is tolerated by countries who pretend they are not facilitating genocide.

The usual hackneyed arguments are trotted out about Iran mainly about hair covering and skirt length as though they cared. Israel does much worse to Palestinian women.

Israel doesn't need your permission to exist.

They are stopping the crazy Mullahs in Iran from having/using nukes.....Israels attack is pure self defence....and the whole free West should say THANK YOU too!!!!

The same free West that till now knew very well of the rising problem but did/could not do anything than crying and wringing their hands....with the added bonus that the Mullahs will be hopefully for now concerned with other problems than how to fund and support terror organizations....

Why do they need nukes?


No it isn't.


No it shouldn't.


Israel is a foreign country with nuclear weapons and an unbroken history of military attacks and assassinations on its neighbors.

The West owes your dysfunctional Zionist welfare queen nothing. They can spill their own blood and treasure fighting wars they start but can't finish.

They are saving YOU and your loved ones from being nuked too....for the Mullahs YOU and your loved ones are the enemies, and once they would have fully functional nukes they will use them. That's them Mullah's for **** sake. They kill their own people for not obeying their religious nuttery!

They are no common rational power gamer....for them killing "unbelievers" is a holy duty...for them you are just another "useful idiot"!

Nukes in the hands of religious nutters....a nightmare Israel is just saving you and me from!!!

No they're not.

Your precious Zionist Israel has never done anything to protect any Western country. In fact it is one of the top countries which constantly carries out espionage AGAINST all Western countries. It has continuously sought to do an entire population transfer of Palestinians to Western countries. They didn't stop 9/11 but had their people on film dancing that day during the attack. Ditto attacks all across Europe.

Are you really so brainwashed as to believe they would save anyone in the West from being nuked?


Which countries in the West has Iran ever attacked first if ever?


You mean like during The Inquisition and Salem Witch trials?


That sounds more like German history, past and present, with its proclivity for fanaticism-from Protestantism, to Nazism, to Feminism, to Socialism/Communism, and now Zionism. Has Germany ever been a truly free and rational country? No, it hasn't.


No, the only useful idiots in the West are obsequious shabbos goys who blindly defend Zionist Israel.

So....you prefer the Mullahs with nukes?

India and Pakistan possess nuclear weapons and have been rivals for decades, with recent skirmishes only highlighting their ongoing conflict.

Was there any call for any country in the West to take sides? No.

Despite India's strong support for Zionist Israel and their presence across Western industries, there has been no demand for India to relinquish its nuclear arsenal or for the West to intervene. Pakistan provided safe harbor to Osama bin Laden in the past, and again, there was never a call for them to denuclearize or have it done by force.

Therefore, if the Mullahs acquire nuclear weapons, that's nuclear-armed Zionist Israel's problem.

And if the Mullahs or Zionists-yes, Berlin, London, Paris, Washington, D.C., and New York are indeed on Zionist Israel's Samson Option target list-threaten the West with nuclear force, it will be a matter for NATO to respond accordingly.

This is the critical point in such discussions.

One can be for or against Israel at the same time depending who is on the other side or what's at stake for the US. For the record...No other country matters to me.

If it's 100 million Arabs as in 1967, nothing easier, ..I support Israel.

If it's USS Liberty, it's the US. Israel should have been hit to forever remember not to fvck with us.

If it's Iran, I don't give a damn as long as the US doesn't get dragged into it.

My concern is a small nuke smuggled into the US - whole or in small parts. With a million containers every day, nothing easier.

In this respect, the US - Israel love affair may lead to a disaster.

They can nuke each other to their hearts content.....as long as they don't threaten us in the West! Hence Israel is neither attacking Islamabad nor New Delhi!

Stop playing the ignorant...we are talking about the Mullahs....


That!

They know very well that nobody else will solve it for them...so they have to do it themselves, and they just did!

That's my opinion about any conflict as long as it does not involve the US.

Unfortunately, the US is into everything...If Mars and Pluto were at war, the US would be there already...

With Trump no longer....and Netanjahu accepted. No longer rescue from the US in the worst case, he has to rescue his people alone.

The same recalibration is happening in Europe too. No matter what or who comes after Trump, that will be his (great) legacy!

We still have bases all over the globe to play that world's dumbest cop.

Trump is in power for how long just now? ;)

That whole bureaucracy behind must be a nightmare.....that will probably take years. Not to forget the economical influence of such a base and their importance for intelligence gathering.
Even if no longer taking part in any skirmish physically, the US will need to keep their eyes and ears very wide open!

The Fourth branch of the US government...ready to sabotage every order from the top...

American voters is what I fear the most...low on intelligence, facts, and used to 30-second TV commercials and dumb movies with happy endings...

In that context, Trump has 12 months to show measarable improvement. If he does, "let's replace Republicans with Democrats"...Thank you guys...

If he fails, "let's replace Republicans with Democrats"...Get lost...

I hope I am wrong...

I thought about that....and frankly I doubt that.

Trump is not that important in the greater scheme of things. He is neither that charismatic or that smart or really that suitable for his job, but he has become a figurehead for a whole movement/development that happens everywhere in the West. He was at the right time in the right place, so to speak!

But even if not successfull, the reasons for that movement he stands for, promised to work and to speak for, are still relevant, still unsolved, will exist further even without him.
In the US the Dems, in Germany the SPD/Greens, have yet to acknowledge these developments, have yet to find answers, have yet to change/adapt their positions to become again an electable alternative for the majority.

And till that happens I doubt the US will/can go back to the old times before Trump. Frankly spoken, even when Trump doesn't fulfill his promises, I very much doubt someone like Kamala Harris will profit from it, as a majority of people still want these promises fulfilled!

Maybe they'll run out of missiles soon...

My dear BB...You are underestimating the stupidity of the average woman voter here..

Tell them about budget or trade deficit and they will give you that look of a person who overdosed on sleeping pills...

They read only the headlines, and vote on how the guy looks, not what he says...How did Carter get to be president...Or Obama...

cause they had iq about 30-40 points higher than yours.

That's true, however it's true in life generally. The world is more chaotic than many suppose.


The whole thing has been whipped up for decades, largely by r*SSia in order to create a weeping sore in the Holy Land. Arafat was offered a two-state solution however he refused, at the behest of the Soviet Union and their stooges who promised him weapons. Now, since 7/10, there can be no two-state solution. Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, has only Israel. The Arabs (who care little about the European concept of nation states anyway), have the whole region.


The person who led the RSA nuclear project was a Pole from Poland. I know his son who is elderly now.


Quite. Some of them probably approve of that misogyny.

@Bratwurst Boy
The Persians are an ancient civilization, existed before the words Germania were even uttered on the lips of Romans and thoughts of Poland inhabited the brains of humans.

When the Persians last time were a threat to Europeans was the time of the ancient Greeks. Their corruption and extreme focus on internal affairs has also lead to minimal efforts abroad. Most of their foreign affairs have surely been to prove to themselves that they have options like: «They hit us? We can hit them too! Who do they think we are?!»

Persians won't make a move towards Europe openly (including nukes) unless they have the capacity and power to do so. Many countries, leaders take huge risks and gamble. They are not materially, militaristically in the same position as U.S.A, Turkey, Russia, China or India. Occupying one single country in Europe is outside their scope, influencing individuals it can however.

Persians I wouldn't think of a people that doesn't gamble with it's future if it doesn't have to. The state of Iran has no reason to be hostile to Europe, if Europe is not hostile to Iran.

Persians.....and then came Islam!

Another example what happens to great people if they don't fight islamization....

In the modern world it does seem to have a dumbing down effect on a population.

Compare any two comprable populations that differ primarily by one being mostly muslim

Indians vs Pakistanis in the UK (the former do well, the latter are kind of a disaster)

Christian vs Muslim Lebanese (the former are one of the highest achieving groups in the world, the latter are mired in dysfunction)

Others?

Poland doesn't have any specific interests in the region aside from the obvious one: oil. Poland's interest in this matter aligns with that of many other countries. This suggests that Israel is at fault for disrupting oil prices through its aggressive warmongering. The international community, including countries that want to stabilize oil prices, should take action to address this situation. Unfortunately, Israel is protected by the U.S., which is quite disappointing.
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Additionally, Poland has taken sides and is part of the Western alliance. However, what does this Western alliance have to do with Israel? It seems as though Poland has little to gain from supporting Israel, especially considering Israel's abusive behavior. What I find most disturbing is that no one seems to be openly discussing Israel's aggressive policies, which are undermining peace and disrupting oil production in the Middle East. Instead, the conversation often shifts to criticizing Iran and its government. Really? What narrative are you following, brainwashed fellow posters?

@Bratwurst Boy
Norway and Poland is blessed with rulers and a bearucracy that has little issues with Muslim minorities and are not afraid to act against any threat or dissent towards the existence of it's own state.

It has been noted by many Muslims that Norway as a state is more «Islam» state then most Muslim populated states.

What many Muslims probably imagine a proper state should be is a competent, rich yet helpful state. Very hard to do due to human Nature(it's darkest sides).

Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, Islam isn't truly a threat unless the state, it's people and notable people «ignore it» for too long. As in example of Sweden, Germany, France etc

Another example of contrasting narratives in storytelling.

When Ukraine was attacked by Russia, everyone rallied behind the victim. However, when Iran is attacked by Israel, the blame often falls on the victim.

It is acceptable to support one side or the other. It is also important to distinguish between right and wrong.