Poland to introduce border controls with Germany and Lithuania

Poland is introducing border controls since Monday on borders with Germany and Lithuania. Germany so Germans stop dumping their migrants on us, and Lithuania because apparently Lithuanians couldn't manage to stop Luka pushing migrants over their border.

What a coincidence Poland has reinstated the use of landmines just last week

Good decision! Especially when Poland stops pushing their illegals over the german border, when that is added there will be only satisfied faces! :)

The exact opposite is happening now. I knew it. You remember that I was talking about this long before it actually happened. My criticisms of Germany aren't based on an anti-German phobia; it's the reality of some Germans behaving poorly.

Additionally, Germany is violating EU law regarding open borders. Why isn't there an outcry in Brussels about this, along with multiple complaints and resolutions? It's because we are dealing with the German-led EU, just as I predicted.
I'm a realist, while you are a dreamer, my friend. Regarding the decision, yes, it was a necessary course of action that should have been taken long ago. I hope the Tusk government will implement it, but so far they have misled the public, as Tusk seems to be aligned with German interests. Let's see if he dares to lie about it again. He had to announce it because people began to react strongly, which included citizen border patrols

....was this now the short version of an Iron "told you so"? ;)

See, you appreciate my 'told you so'. It includes everything needed, and you can easily overlook it. When I'm serious, like now, that changes.

....of course I do! Maybe not always openly...but....you know....;)

no u

So Poland decided to ignore the last pope and the current one... Not very Christian...fences instead of bridges...I am shocked and embarrassed...

Only because you don't know the first thing about religion.
The Pope is free to express his views, but there is no obligation to listen to him unless he speaks on matters of doctrine ex cathedra; in those cases, everyone is expected to comply.

What hypocrisy on the Polish side. For years various Polish governments have claimed that Germany's decision to not controle its' borders was the reason why so many migrants were coming to Europe.

Now that Germany is controlling its' borders they are still unhappy because now the realization sets in that they can no longer wave migrants through to Germany, but may actually be stuck with those arrivals.

I suppose the silver lining here is the decision to controle the borders to Lithuania will also mean that fewer migrants will come through this route.

Shoot the next 100 migrants and they will stop coming...

The problem is that today, the EU would not execute Hitler...that would be inhumane...azzholes...

Luckily, it was the US and the Soviets who conducted the Nuremberg trials.

Forget it. Listen to your propaganda about Poland. Good luck.
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Yes, true German-Polish love.

I need to clarify for you, Butler for Germans, that I was being sarcastic.

The state of Poland is doing no such thing. On the other hand a lot of Polish citizens are for sure helping with transport for a quick buck, similar in Ukraine, Russia or Lithuania too. Thinking it will be Germany's problem anyways and they can earn cash.

For Germany to start pushing back on this without co-operation with state actors in Poland, makes it seem Germany tries to undermine state legitimacy. Forcing a negative response even from a Pro-German prime minister. It all was handled very bad in a bad situation. This is not the way to solve this.


Hear hear

Nah....these border controls are purely and only on the german side....that has nothing to do with polish legitimacy!

Experiences have proven over the years that all that open-borders-vision has to stay a fantasy, it's just not realistic in these times....IMHO the EU will end up walling itself in on its outside, so that all EU-member inside can get back the control over the movements of people from the outside....right now it's a joke and only a source for frustrations and anger! It just doesn't work and risks in the end (if nothing is done) the whole union instead!

Poland has introduced border controles at the Polish-Lithuanian border. Is Poland undermining Lithuania's legitimacy?

Here is my list of leftist lies:

Women must be trusted
Women can do everything men can
Women don't need men
Trans women are women
Migrants are good for the economy

...and now...

Nobody is illegal
Build bridges, not fences

Is that not clear enough? It i against the EU law. Also, it was supposed to be temporary this was the Germans' excuse, but it has been going on for long enough to be permanent.
Now that the Tusk government announced that Poland will establish checkpoints on the Polish side of the border, it seems the Germans have an issue with it.

By the way, the German government wants to sort out their problem by shifting it onto Poland and whoever is stupid enough to take those people and does not ask questions.
The Tusk government's support has dramatically gone down after that issue became known to the Polish public.
Hence his desperate announcements.

Why would Germans have an issue with that? As long as Poland takes the migrants who have been caught at the Polish-German border back all the better.

Well....we will hear THAT often in the next time! The EU laws have been planned and enacted in other times, with often very much different governments with different priorities.
Lotsa laws will be adapted if not outright thrown under the table or just ignored by the govs, whatever comes first....my guess!

Do you know why I'm emphasizing this issue? Over the past few years, Poland has frequently encountered this situation, and there have been financial penalties to pay. However, now that the German government is openly disregarding EU law, I haven't heard of any penalties or threats from Brussels directed at Germany. This really supports my point.

As you know, I believe that many of these laws are questionable, particularly the green policies. I think Poland should completely discard them since EU law does not treat all member states equally.

Do you have a link for me?

Here some interesting info about the current state of borders in the EU:


ecchr.eu/fall/kontrollen-und-zurueckweisungen-an-den-deutschen-grenzen/

The most likely because they are afraid that those times when they kicked out whoever they could over the Polish border are coming to an end.

It was the Germans who invited migrants in the first place. Remember Merkel?

Thanks to this, Muslim women are emancipating themselves in Germany.

Two things to consider here.

1) It is far from certain that Germany is breaking EU law here. There are conditions under which border controles and e.g. suspending Dublin are perfectly legal per EU law. The German government argues that those conditions are met. The European courts will have the final say on the matter, we will know how things stand in 1-2 years.

2) We are in the current situation because Germany's neighbours - including Poland - have been systematically breaking EU law. Per EU law, Poland is responsible for any refugee that crosses the border from Belarus, not Germany. That Poland is instead of processing their asylum application is instead waving them through and even refuses to take them back afterwards is in clear violation of Dublin and has now led to the German reaction.


Is she still chancellor? The new German government has made it clear that her refugee policy is no longer applied. Something I thought most people in Poland would welcome?

I suppose now that those migrants are no longer exclusively arriving from Southern Europe, this might have changed.

It needs to be rolled back.... has Germany actually managed to deport anyone recently?


With an open border.... how is Poland expected to keep them here? Put them in camps? (I'm not against that as it would help stop the flow).

Register them and process their asylum application. Once they are in the system, they can be sent back whenever they make their way to Germany.

Bio markers? Cause they tend to just change their names each time...aren't there cases in Germany of that?