Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism

Wait a minute... Panama got full control of the Panama Canal only in 1999... So, that Hong Kong company got that concession while the US was still in control of the canal? And the US didn't mind back then?

Btw, for context - in 1996 Hong Kong was still British, not Chinese. 🤔

The US changed its mind.

Many women get happily pregnant and abort because they changed their mind. Some women kill their kids when they are 3 because they were not convenient.

Is that even mean anything?
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Quiet the opposite I'm an example of a well-informed Pole, who knows what he is talking about and is on top of things in the geopolitical sphere.
What is embarrassing and shameful are people from Poland talking like fools or kindergartner kids about politics. Ask any foreigner on PF if I'm wrong.

Then Panama isn't responsible for American f*ck ups and shouldn't be blamed and punished for them.


That's the first I hear of it.


And those women go to jail for that.

If you took your supposed Lexus back to the dealer after a few years would you expect them to take it back and hand back your money ?

Same rules - the US can't change it's mind

Yes, it can! Never heard that slogan? - yes we can!
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What rules? Car dealership?

You need to calm down. Nobody's talking about an invasion....

Yes.


LOL


You need to start reading comments on this thread. Are you blind? All the Americans on this forum, except for cms_neuf (or maybe he isn't an American?) and including you, plus one British (Miloslaw) and one Pole (Ironside) seem to be OK with the US invading Panama and are banging on how the US has "the right" to do it! 🤦
Everyone - correct me if I'm wrong, PLEASE!

Cool down, I do not and would not support an invasion. I, in fact, wrote that the canal is Panama's and Panama should get the lion's share of the profits it generates. But it is also a place of strategic US interest in the emerging cold war between the west and the dragonbear.

Chinese presence should be limited to ships going through.


Youre WRONG! There, feel better now?

Nobody is planning to "punish" Panama.

We just want our gift back


Poland invaded Iraq without any compelling reason that has to do with Poland.

The US will not invade Panama. We have other means to convince Panama to return the canal to us.

Just imagine a US ship sinking just in front of it... accidentally, of course,...

Remember that ship and the bridge a while back?

That's just one idea...and it's not even noon here...Pure genius at work...

Well, as I pointed out, the concession to operate those two ports was given to that Hong Kong company before the full control of the Panama Canal was given to Panama and before Hong Kong became Chinese.

CK Hutchison is a conglomerate whose largest owner is a family of Hong Kong billionaires, not the Chinese government.

So what do you propose to do with this situation?

Does that concession have time limit? Does it end? And even if the US took over the Panama Canal - that concession would still be valid and in effect. CK Hutchison has also investments in the US.

So how about some American billionaire buys that Hong Kong company and problem solved? 🤔


YES! THANK YOU! But so far you're the only American on this forum who clearly stated that he is against the invasion of Panama.


Taking away something that provides income for such a small nation will be a punishment.


I was also against the invasion of Iraq, as I wrote many times on this forum before.

@Paulina

It was a rhetorical question. It was a meaningless bunch of slogans stuffed one on top of the other. One would think they are having a party of some sort.
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Answering your question you are the one pushing the envelope on this issue.
In reality, there will be some kind of settlement that will allow the US to keep firm control over the Canal. As they should.
Even if they have to take it over by force - that is acceptable too.
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If those Prietos don't know to not get greedy and keep in mind the US interest they have no right to rule over the Canal.
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Not quite, though he did say the canal is Panamanian etc but added

That statement may be open to interpretation but I think its quite revealing.

I was quite surprised when I read it last night as Maf is generally a good guy (minus the broad brush approach to the Russian people)

He is an American who discovered Russia and Russian people - for real, not in the fantasy settings. It is a rare phenomenon, it is kind of interesting to observe.
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I think it is quite obvious. Why do you make it sound like it is something shameful?

No, it wasn't.


No, I'm not. Read the comments on this thread.


No, it isn't acceptable.

They're not being "greedy":

nytimes.com/2025/01/02/us/politics/trump-panama-canal-china.html

"Mr. Trump also called the fees Panama charges to transit the canal "exorbitant." In fact, those fees are lower than for similar shipping chokepoints, though they have increased because drought has lowered the water level in the canal and the number of ships that can pass through.

Judah Levine, the head of research at Freightos, a logistics company, said that Panama charges container ships about $100,000 to $300,000 per transit - just a fraction of what the Suez Canal charges, even before the recent shipping disruptions in the Red Sea."


You're messed up.


I was shocked, to be honest.

It isn't a free market at all if they don't want market prices or impose tariffs.

Stop flirting with me, because latter you acuse me of things.
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Why not? Even if you disagree so what, nobody cares.
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In a good way.
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Well, nothing called free is as free in reality as in theory. It is called a reality check. Without the US there would be no free market economy. So they set up rules.

I'm sure you don't mind the Germans to take over Poland by force - that is acceptable, too.
Do you actually think before you write?

Perhaps then they should stop trying to impose 'market values' on others of they don't want to be subject to them themselves.


Actually we invented it (and without liberal British radicals there would be no U.S.). Nobody sets 'rules' and if a 'market' is supposed to be free, what 'rules' would there be anyway?

They don't call the shots.

Wouldn't that be nice? However, once again it is what it is. It is a constant battle between what we like to have and what we can get.
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It is free because the US imposes it because the US projects power around the globe, they the enforcer. So indirectly they call the shots.
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They can try. maybe they will try it in the future - who knows?
What's that got to do with the price of fish?

According to you, the US invading Panama and potentially Greenland, Canada and Mexico is totally acceptable. So why was the invasion of Poland by the USSR and Germany not? Or do you think all was fine in 1939?

No. It keeps living standards for many over there very low compared to more developed places. The median income in some counties is lower than provincial Romania.


It tries to and they try to be. Their window of power was relatively short though and as a county it is in obvious decline. No empire lasts more than about 3 centuries

Their situation won't get any better than it is now (and in terms of power, they have far less of that than they did 30 years ago)and soon China will call all the shots. For a couple of decades now, their government has been talking about a "post-hegemony world" and threatening your closest allies (as individuals close to the regime have been doing) is a surefire way for those closest allies to be allies no more.

Are you nuts???
Have you seen what the Polish military are like?
Have you seen how weak the German military is?

HaHaHaHa!!!

You are a comedian or an imbecile!

My guess is that is about 10 to 15 years away.

Did you get that from God? :-)

I'd guess 15ish however we'll see the signs earlier and of course China thinks very very long term.

China have got a lot of problems right round the corner and how they deal with them will make a lot of difference to the speed of things.

That remark just shows how badly I zemmed you. Hoot !


China just told Trump last week that they are going to take Taiwan one way or another.
I hope they do it diplomatically as I really don't think Trump has the capabilities anymore to stop China from doing it.
That will be the start of the ball rolling.

Trump also wants China out of Jamaica.
China has been pouring billions into Jamaica's infrastructure over the years knowing that Jamaica will default on those loans giving China leverage on those shipping lanes.
The European Union has invested money in Jamaica along with the United States but nothing like China has.
China wants to control not only the Panama Canal but also the Jamaican shipping lanes that connect North and South America.

Irrelevant.

Poland invaded Iraq. Poland cannot object to the US invading Panama or anybody.