Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism

I thought you were an adult...Sorry...

Yes, I am, but I lack the patience to explain everything from scratch.

@Ironside
Why not?

If NATO is a collection of countries upholding some form of agreed order then Poland should tell the Americans to back off. If not then all the lovely words about international standards mean nothing. Of course you know as well as I do that there is no rules based order its a fiction wheeled out for a compliment media.

OK, children, it's time for Grandpa Novi to explain what we call life. So listen good, Barney and Paulina...

To win in life, you need balls, guns, and reasons. BTW, the reasons don't need to be good.

International standards are helpful but not necessary. See the US in Iraq and Russia in Ukraine.

With enough balls and guns, you can ignore the ICC.

It's only trotted out against countries that the US struggles to "manage".

For dear friends like Israel, it does not exist.

As with any crooked business, the West has two sets of books...

Actually, more...One set of books is for the insiders. The second is for foreign friends. Third is for the voters. And the fourth for useful idiots like PF Russia haters to help them spout shlt they must believe to stay sane. See Cymes and Kutasinski.

Did I miss any?

"We paid to keep you safe so now we will invade you"

Poland as a medium size but reliable democracy should of course speak out against this idiocy. Whether it's bluster or not, there are some horrible people in Trump's orbit and it's two years before any possibility to restrain him democratically.

I know plenty of moderate people who voted for Trump because of inflation etc. not sure what they make of this circus.

Because, Poland can gain nothing in this case unless that issue (which, in my opinion, is not real) is really important to the US government. So we could trade our agreement for some concessions from the US. However, given all the factors and circumstances at play, there is very little to gain.
So Poland should stay out of this.
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So you know it.
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WTF? lol!

Hey, Greenland has a lot of natural resources that China is currently tapping.
The U.S. needs those same abundant rare resources.
Plus there is a lot of uninhabited land to build strategically located military bases on.
Greenland would be a real asset to the U.S.
Then make Canada our 51st State and we would control all of North America.
But not stop there, go right on down to capture everything to the Panama Canal that the U.S. built for the purpose of our military ships and take that back too.
We would be the most powerful nation on earth forever.
Trump is a genius.

You mean China is buying Hreenland's minerals on the open market ?

Why can't America do the same ?

I don't know if the US built the canal, but they certainly gave it to Panama via a treaty in the early 80s.

What has that got to do with anything, Greenland/Denmark can trade with anyone it wishes just like Ukraine. The imperial US should Fcuk off back to pickup truck land and put a few fires out.

@Ironside
Poland can gain national pride standing for the values it proclaims. You dont like the EU and wish Poland to make its own way...grand...so I dont understand why you are happy for Poland to brown nose the US in NATO.

@cms neuf
The US created its own Donbas first just like they do everywhere they go

So did other Germans in 1933.


And with enough insanity on the part of the US a lot of countries can turn their back to the US.


So let us look at it realistically:

1. Canada won't become the 51st state of the US and suggesting it and calling another country's prime minister a "governor" is insulting to an allied nation.

2. Denmark would have to agree to sell Greenland and it doesn't look like they're willing.
Supporting an independence movement of a part of the territory of another country will be seen as a hostile act against this country and, again, Denmark is an ally of the US and a member of the EU. If you cause problems for Denmark, the EU will retaliate.
Also, you'd have to pay a lot for Greenland, I imagine, and then you'd have to spend millions to support Greenland, apparently. I thought that the US doesn't have money for roads and stuff, but suddenly you're capable of spending all that money? Are you going to print all this money or sth?


So you want to invade Panama now?

The US is built on invading, like Maf says about Russians, US citizens don't understand civilised behaviour.

Google it and surprise yourself.

No, China is NOT currently buying large quantities of rare minerals on the open market from Greenland.
China is acquiring mineral rights to extract those minerals.
China is currently extracting rare minerals from almost every country in the world and stock piling them.

That was another of Jimmy Carters big blunders.
Now Panama is charging the U.S. huge tariffs for using it.
China has control of both ends to it which is little talked about.
Ukraine has a huge abundance of rare minerals they could pay their debt back to the United States with but so far, notta.
And just think of the strategically located military bases for the U.S. in Greenland. to protect Europe.

Nothing is stopping the US from acquiring those rights too.


That's not Panama's problem. You'll have to learn to live with your presidents' past blunders and decisions. RuSSians, who still live in the past, didn't learn to do that and for almost three years now they've been involved in a bloody, senseless war because of it.


To "protect" Europe or to invade it to take even more lands and resources?

Oh Paulina, come on, you are smarter than that.
Canada has already countered to teased Trump back by offering to buy Alaska and Minnesota from the U.S. lol

Well if the U.S. really was serious they would just take it since they have the military to do it.
Who could stop them ?

The U.S. understands that the biggest hammer wins.

ie: This thread was started to troll the U.S. so I am just throwing gas on the fire with light sarcastic humor.

It is impractical, posturing about some issues that do not impact Poland's interests is not the way to go. Anyway, there is plenty of pride without reckless acts.
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I don't like the EU because it is a shell that harbors German imperial ambitions. Now that their econmic policies are nothing but a big failure we are all going to pay for the failure. Not to mention it is a field where all those sinister behind the curtains medders have a field day without any control.
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Poland needs the US. Poland's security is at stake. It is easy to understand, even if you question the validity of the NATO pact security, it is much better than nothing. Until Poland will develop its nuclear capability.

Your next regent trolled your country and revealed its imperial nature, indeed the biggest hammer wins...doesn't stop you lot whinging on every forum.


Not really, you are told it needs the US but the US is the most unreliable "friend" anyone could have.

I realize it. However even if it as a bluff, nobody dared to call it. It is enough for now.

Really....me as a East-Berliner will be forever grateful....but that is probably only me...

Even if Trump isn't being serious, I don't think you realise the consequences of a US president running his mouth like that. Especially if American media and ordinary Americans support what he's saying. I bet RuSSian propagandists are having a field day with this. Why would Putin pay for anti-American propaganda if he has Trump? o_O


Even the US hammer has its limits and the US will realise it if it crosses a line.


Gratitude doesn't mean you have to be OK with every evil thing that the US does. That's a RuSSian way of thinking and it's just wrong.

"Evil"....what is so evil the US ever did!

And yes, it's called loyalty!

I'm not talking about past or present right now, but potential future. And as for "evil" - invading random, peaceful countries for land and resources is evil.


By being blindly loyal you may end up supporting evil.

Attacking Greenland would be evil.


No, it's called turning a blind eye.

He is a loudmouth....don't expect him to!


A blind eye to what?

Maybe you would have a point if the political elite starts punishing other opinions and threatening/jailing the opposition, if people start to flee the country....till then!

I agree. Supporting an allied country in its moral downfall isn't real loyalty. At least not from the Christian point of view and from the point of view of civilised Europeans.

We don't have to invade. We can inflict pain by peaceful means.

He is a negotiator. It works like this...The right hand holds a banana. The left one holds a gun.

Please, sign here...goes the mouth...See Japan and Germany in 1945. Everybody benefited.

Me neither. But that is what the discussion is about. And loudmouth or not he will be the president soon enough. If he wants to be treated seriously he should stop running his mouth.


Yyy, we were talking about USA attacking a peaceful neighbour. Wouldn't that qualify?

Definitely! Did they?

Trump has become two-times-president in big parts not despite but, IMHO, because of his loud personality....so, better get used to it and no worked up, moral panic everytime he utters something....or that will be long four years, very long!

Not to mention that alot of things the talks make alot sense....and should he really be able to end the war in Ukraine, well. That would be "a big finger" to all the smart, polite talking, academic **** who can only dream of stuff like this!