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Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism


Bobko  29 | 2896
1 day ago   #451
Russia ain't jack compared to China...no offense Bobko.

No offense taken! I'm not delusional, lol.

I do think that one important way in which Russia is perhaps stronger (or more dangerous - whichever you like) than China - is Russia is much more willing to use force to achieve its goals. It's a historical fact.

Well, also we more nukes than anyone in the world. This'll ensure our seat at the table for the time being.
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #452
Or I should rather say qsoundsqqqlikkeaplanuqquk!

😂😂😂

orange sociopath

😆.

The threat is Trump's wildcard. He plays it to get things moving. Trump is a singular creature. He pisses me off and he does stupid sh!t (10000000% tariffs on...THE WORLD) while at the same time overjoys and astounds me with brilliance.
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #453
Russia is perhaps stronger (or more dangerous - whichever you like) than China - is Russia is much more willing to use force to achieve its goals. It's a historical fact.

Good point!

I got a feeling China is simply waiting to use theirs. They have shown that as the they develop they act more boldly. Militarily they are getting closer and closer to parity with the west.

One of my hopes is in the near future usa, russia, and visegrad will form closer ties. Western europe as it is now is an unknown (can't wait to hear the w euros response). That would strengthen the northern flank.
Bobko  29 | 2896
1 day ago   #454
Militarily they are getting closer and closer to parity with the west.

Still it must be psychologically difficult for them to contemplate military action - given their complete absence of experience. Their last war against Vietnam ended in humiliation.

The extent of their recent experience is beating Indians with sticks in some Himalayan pass.

Russia and America both have dozens of conflicts in which they participated during the past century. This kind of institutional experience can't be substituted with anything else.

Simply - we have tens of thousands of planners and operators that have years of experience in commanding troops from Chechnya, to Georgia, to Syria, to Ukraine. Ditto for America. China has zero. They can only read books and study our experience.

They have to start slow, and maybe in conjunction with others - before going for the Big Kahuna of Taiwan.
OP Barney  19 | 1888
1 day ago   #455
status quo.

This is the status quo, the US and the rest of the NATO gang have never cared about democracy, human rights or the rule of law other than using them as cudgels. What we are witnessing today is the Inevitable culmination of the US approach to international relations. It was, is and will always be monopolistic.
Feniks  1 | 1090
1 day ago   #456
Greed? I don't think so. It's about security and power. Exploiting resources? Again, disagree.

So I guess the 50 million barrels of Venezuelan oil worth $2.8 billion soon to be sold by the US, is just an irrelevance then?

I wonder what proportion of that is going to the Venezuelan people....

Plus, according to this article, the US will control Venezuelan oil sales 'indefinitely'.

bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgn7p7g79wo

Greenland? I'd still argue it's wanted more for rare elements/minerals than defence purposes.
Alien  30 | 7660
1 day ago   #457
rare elements/minerals than defence purposes.

both.
OP Barney  19 | 1888
1 day ago   #458
It's the fact that the US is forcing its laws on the rest of the world to extract wealth with no responsibility for anything else that is called theft or extortion.
cms neuf  3 | 2283
1 day ago   #459
Simply - we have tens of thousands of planners and operators that have years of experience in

Heavy drinking and abuse of young recruits
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #460
@Bobko

Good points.

Apparently, from China's station in Cuba, they intercepted intel on American tactics, training, ligistics that would be helpful on the battlefield.
Miloslaw  26 | 5728
1 day ago   #461
When Trump won the election, I was pleased.Better him than Biden or Harris.But his admiration of Putin and the way he and Vance treated Zelensky stuck in my craw.....no respect,utter bullies.

But as it's gone on, I think he is losing it.His attack on Venezuela was perhaps justified, but not for the reasons he stated,he is only after their oil.

Greenland and Canada are no go zones...... end of.....he is losing his mind.
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #462
Greenland? I'd still argue it's wanted more for rare elements/minerals than defence purposes.

Those are defense purposes.

It was, is and will always be monopolistic.

Maybe, but it is a monopoly your small island benefits from.
Ron2
1 day ago   #463
The cost of extracting minerals from the permafrost may be higher than their actual value. Trump doesn't know that, but who's surprised.
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #464
Trump doesn't know that, but who's surprised.

Hahah...yeah, he's a complete idiot. Just ask his detractors who don't work with him.
Bobko  29 | 2896
1 day ago   #465
The cost of extracting minerals from the permafrost may be higher than their actual value.

25% of Russia's current oil and gas production comes from beyond the Arctic Circle.

Norilsk Nickel (located well north of the Arctic Circle), is a company that produces 20% of the world's nickel, and something like 40% of its palladium.

Alrosa mines diamonds in Chukotka - again 20-30% of global production.

There's huge amounts of gold and coal there too.

The permafrost goes hundreds of meters deep in these places - and it hasn't stopped us. What's to say America can't do the same? Especially if it already does this in Alaska?
Feniks  1 | 1090
1 day ago   #466
It's the fact that the US is forcing its laws on the rest of the world to extract wealth with no responsibility for anything else t

Exactly this.

not for the reasons he stated,.

Given that fentanyl is coming from Mexico and precursor chemicals from China and cocaine from Colombia, clearly not.
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #467
His attack on Venezuela was perhaps justified, but not for the reasons he stated,

Given that fentanyl is coming from Mexico and precursor chemicals from China and cocaine from Colombia, clearly not.

Absolutely! The stated reasons were 100% bullstink!

It's much more than just oil, Milo.
Ron2
1 day ago   #468
What's to say America can't do the same?

Look at the cost. Of course, they can technically get stuff from the frozen ground, but is it reasonable?

They won't touch gold under a permafrost, so will they touch other minerals? I didn't check their prices, but overall it's nearly not as a great deal as Trump or others may think.
AntV  4 | 805
1 day ago   #469
@Ron2

I'm not sure about the price, but you are missing the point Ron. We, not only America but all of the developed world, need to break the stranglehold China has on strategic resources-you can throw Russia in there too, I guess . Not that Greenland is inly about raw materials.
Poloniusz  5 | 1011
1 day ago   #470
Why threaten an invasion of their territory.

Since when do you care about borders and territory?

Greenland's choice is clear-and only America can deliver.


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OP Barney  19 | 1888
1 day ago   #471
It's much more than just oil

After a year of a second go MAGA has failed to make any dent on any of the things Trump campaigned on. The whole anti European thing and lies about freedom of speech etc is simply manufactured outrage to prevent any regulation on the tech monopolies and give some justification for economic threats. The reason he is doing this is because the AI bubble is the only thing keeping thei4 economy out of recession. Having failed at home, like most lame duck us presidents, he has gone all international. His theft of Venezuela's resources, open piracy and proposed land grabs is meant to dominate global trade in exactly the same way protection racketeering operates.

The US is a mafia state.
Joker  2 | 2631
23 hrs ago   #472
@Barney
Calling the U.S. a mafia state doesn't magically make your argument true, It's just edgy language standing in for evidence. MAGA hasn't failed at home, border enforcement, energy policy, and inflation control are exactly why Trump's still dominating the political conversation. And this AI bubble keeps the economy alive line is just another talking point borrowed from lefty doombloggers who predict recession every year and are wrong every time.

As for "theft" and "piracy" thats funny - enforcing sanctions on narco-states and protecting trade routes isn't racketeering, it's what every serious country does. If anything, the tantrum here suggests Europe's uncomfortable with losing its monopoly on moral lectures while depending on U.S. security and markets.

That's not analysis, that's a textbook case of TDS. When everything somehow loops back to Trump, the argument's already gone. See Jon357 - trump lives in his head rent free as well.
Lyzko  48 | 10326
22 hrs ago   #473
Barney comes awfully close to the ugly truth.
Joker  2 | 2631
22 hrs ago   #474
@Lyzko

Agreement without explanation isn't wisdom - it's just parroting..Krakawwwwwww!

Lets see some of your sheepish behavior dressed up as wisdom if you can! lol
Lyzko  48 | 10326
22 hrs ago   #475
I merely stated that while Trump has precedent, he's nonetheless an imperialist!
jon357  75 | 25048
22 hrs ago   #476
imperialist

Some of those around him are far worse.
Joker  2 | 2631
22 hrs ago   #477
Slapping imperialist on everything isnt analysis, its just lazy labeling.

@Lyzko
Dont you feel bad for the citzens of NYC being being banned from selling their own homes/property now?

That sounds like communism, but wait the dems voted in a commie mayor, fuuny how that works, huh

Im bet youre glad you live in NJ arent you?
Lyzko  48 | 10326
22 hrs ago   #478
@jon, of course North Korea and Russia are true dyed in the wool despots, nonetheless, while Trump might not brutally silence opposition, he merely flicks it off with casual arrogance.
Neither way is good.

@Joker, Trump is an imperialist, it's not a label.
Novichok  7 | 11094
21 hrs ago   #479
That's not analysis, that's a textbook case of TDS.

I have read all the recent posts in this thread, and yours wins by a mile.

As far as Greenland...It's a Danish colony, not Denmark. We can manage it just as well...

The real problem is that Danes will one day let China and Russia in, and when something goes wrong, these cvnts will call the US! You know...Article 5!!!

Just look at Europe and see the damage these morons inflicted on themselves...Only an idiot like Biden would rely on them and trust them.
jon357  75 | 25048
14 hrs ago   #480
of course North Korea and Russia are true dyed in the wool despots, nonetheless, while Trump might not brutally silence opposition, he merely flicks it off with casual arrogance

The regime are nevertheless copying their playbook.

the citzens of NYC being being banned from selling their own homes/property now

They aren't.


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