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Poland and Germany should unite, says Lech Walesa


Palivec - | 380
8 Oct 2013 #31
Germany has the highest amount of German Jewish inventors of all the European nations. Notice how after the holocaust, and the forcing of Jews into America the scientific production of Germany slowed tremendously.

All Germans who received Nobel prices since 1901: 104
Germans who received Nobel prices since 1945: ~50

Hmm...

If that happens Poland will become a multicultural crap hole without a culture just like Germany is becoming.

Well, at least you get proper Döners and Pizza there...
Nile 1 | 155
8 Oct 2013 #32
Are those countries not united already?The EU is all about one European country.
TheOther 6 | 3,978
8 Oct 2013 #33
The EU is all about one European country.

You mean the one that pays all the bills? :)
Nile 1 | 155
8 Oct 2013 #34
The one that controls the money flow. Whoever control the money - rules.
TheOther 6 | 3,978
8 Oct 2013 #35
Whoever control the money - rules.

That would be the bankers then...
Crow 137 | 7,833
8 Oct 2013 #36
people, people,... take some rakija, cool yourself

/who would say that pan Walesa could be capable to upset us with a such horrific ideas/
Terry Zazoff
9 Oct 2013 #37
German Science and engineering has always been overrated. The French, British, Italians, & Russians have always been superior, and they did it without the help of a majority of Jews.

This is a completely baseless stupid statement above.

For the record Germany has produced 103 Nobel Prize winners, only 14 were "Jewish" . 2 of those Nobel Prize winners were for Literature and 1 for Economics

That brings it down to 11.

Adolf Von Baeyer - Chemistry 1905- Mother was Jewish but had converted to Christianity
Otto Wallach - Chemistry 1910 - Descended from Jewish Family that had converted to Lutheranism, mother was ethnic German Protestant.
Richard Willstatter - Chemistry 1915 - Ashkenazi Jewish
Fritz Haber- Chemistry 1918- born to Hasidic Jewish Family " Father of chemical warfare ", born in Wroclaw, Poland, parents were 1st cousins, later converted to Lutheran

Paul Erlich - Physiology rf Medicine 1908 - born in Strzelin, Poland to Jewish Family, no interest himselft in Jewish customs or traditions
Otto Fritz Meyerhof - Medicine 1922 - born to wealthy Jewish Family
Karl Landsteiner - Physiology or Medicine 1930 - Mother was Jewish
Otto Heinrich Warburg - Physiology 1931 - Also won iron Cross for Bravery in world war 1, Father had been Jewish then converted to Christianity, Mother was Protestant

Albert Einstein - Physics - 1921 Parents were non observant Jews, attended Catholic School.
James Franck - Physics -1925 Jewish
Gustav Ludwig Hertz- Physics 1925 Jewish

Only 7 of those 11 could possibly even hope to qualify as Ashkenazi Jews.
TheOther 6 | 3,978
9 Oct 2013 #38
The people listed above were German nationals (unless they emigrated). Some were also of Jewish faith. There's nothing more to it.

born in Wroclaw, Poland

born in Strzelin, Poland

Little correction: Fritz Haber was born in Breslau, Prussia. Paul Erlich was born in Strehlen, Prussia.
Terry Zazoff
9 Oct 2013 #39
Little correction
Breslau is Wroclaw
Strehlen is Strzelin
There is more to it because Germany has never relied on the efforts of Ashkenazi Jews to prop it up in terms of development. Complete rubbish.

Poland has produced 15 Nobel prize winners.
Of those 15 an astonishing 8 were Jewish, more than 50%.
Marie Curie and Andrew Schally are the only non Jews Poland has ever had in the fields outside of literature or peace.
Very obvious who is reliant on who to get the job done.
50%Polish
9 Oct 2013 #40
Poland and Germany are already partly united in the EU, especially once Poland joins the Euro.

why would a pole ever want to become a German?

too many people are brainwashed by economics and bad government

this is about culture, pride, and self respect. I would also include a riddle past of bloodshed that also stands out. I don't even know how a Pole could live in a city like Munich, the Hitler museum made me want to puke.

Just Say No,

Poland forever.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
9 Oct 2013 #41
maybe in a couple of generations when Poles, who still remember are gone, can the remainder say jawol! to this nutty idea (Wałęsa-endorced or not)
TheOther 6 | 3,978
9 Oct 2013 #42
You missed my point, Terry.

Little correction
Breslau is Wroclaw
Strehlen is Strzelin

Not when Haber and Erlich were born. There was no Poland at that time.

Damn, can the admin please extend the amount time that is available to edit our posts. Thanks.

There was no Poland at that time.

...on the Prussian territory that was called Schlesien, Pommern and Ostpreussen.
Rajesh Iyer
28 Oct 2013 #43
They can Create a new "Polskadeutschland (POLGERMLAND)" and can challenge the world if it gets united. The only drawback for Germans is the small land in which they can't industrialize to the full (Greenery has to be maintained). And on other side is the developing Poland to revolutionize the world. If both merges without any thinking of past, then both can succeed Jointly. More jobs and Enterprises will be created, as well as more entrepreneurs. Peoples don't need to flock to America or United kingdom in search of jobs. They can do jobs and services more peacefully in their native lands. Poland can also adopt German Technology when united peacefully and can dominate the world by taking it way further. And both languages can be learned as mandatory languages in your united land from schooling days onwards and no one will have trouble where ever they go inside united poland + germany. All these happens Peoples, if you give up or forgive your historical thinking and making your way forward to the cheer up your native lands !!!
Jola23452
28 Nov 2013 #44
There is no such thing as Slavic culture in general. There is Poland with its culture. Other as called slavic countries has their own cultures. Every country is different.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
28 Nov 2013 #45
Jolu, if you mean that each of the nine or ten or so Slavic countries EACH has its own distinct identity within the Pan-Slavic orbit (world), you're quite right. Yet, as with the nine or ten or so individual Slavic languages, EACH has it's own uniqueness while at the same time sharing certain traits in common, e.g. consonantal palatalization more so than in Romance or Germanic languages, a system of verbal aspects which function differently from tenses in, say, French, English or German, for instance, moving on to the lack of definite/indefinite articles (except for Bulgarian noun clitics) etc...

The above of distinctly "Slavic", though a Pole is not the same as a Czech or a Croat. However, among other things, the Cyrillic alphabet has served as a sort of adhesive which binds the Russians, Ukrainians, Serbs, Bulgarians together and establishes their "specialness" as separate from those languages which use exclusively the Latin alphabet.

Wouldn't you therefore agree, that there definitely IS something called "Slavic identity" as their is German(-ic) or Latin/Romance identity?

I tricky proposal, I grant you.
Crow 137 | 7,833
28 Nov 2013 #46
Forget it. After humiliation in London, Lech for sure changed his mind or, if that about Poland`s-Germany`s unity was his joke, thinks of it as of ugly joke.
50%Polish
28 Nov 2013 #47
We have seen what you have become with our own eyes. Your culture is dying and you replaced it with a generic pan-American culture worshipping materialism & pop culture. We don't need or want your "help" in the East, thank you. There's enough of Little America's running around already.

well said.......
Wulkan - | 3,251
29 Nov 2013 #48
Wouldn't you therefore agree, that there definitely IS something called "Slavic identity" as their is German(-ic) or Latin/Romance identity?

Interesting how you never hear about Germanic or Romance idenity only about Slavic one
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
29 Nov 2013 #49
Yout hear about Germanic identiity all the time! Guess you and I don't move in the same circles:-)
McDouche 6 | 286
29 Nov 2013 #50
No one talks about such things except for children and those with unrealistic views of the world.

The idea of Slavic identity is something very few people care about. Especially considering that some Slavic-speaking nationalities have very bad relations with other Slavic-speaking nationalities. You constantly see Crow here talking about his "love" for Poland but ironically many of the Serbs I've met hate Poles and Ukrainians.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
30 Nov 2013 #51
but ironically many of the Serbs I've met hate Poles and Ukrainians.

And the Serbs are one of the most disliked by Poles nationalities. Crow is a few cards short of a full pack.
Harry
30 Nov 2013 #52
many of the Serbs I've met hate Poles and Ukrainians.

And the Serbs are one of the most disliked by Poles nationalities.

In the last couple of decades Poles have fought alongside Germans in three wars that resulted from Serbian aggression (the Croatian war of independence, the Bosnian war of independence and the the Kosovan war of independence). Those facts reflect how Poles really feel when given a choice between uniting with Germans or uniting with Serbs and may explain why Serbs don't like Poles.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
30 Nov 2013 #53
And the Serbs are one of the most disliked by Poles nationalities. Crow is a few cards short of a full pack.

He thinks everybody in Europe is part of this mystical entity called Sarmatia, ranging from the Scots to the Greeks. I doubt anybody likes the Serbs at all. Specialists at bombing innocent cities (Sarajevo), mass-raping women...And thanks God being bombed back into the Stone Age by NATO. Wasn't it Bismarck btw who told that we should build a wall around the Balkans and leave them to their own devices?
Ironside 49 | 9,997
30 Nov 2013 #54
And the Serbs are one of the most disliked by Poles nationalities. Crow is a few cards short of a full pack.

Nonsense, They are not.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544
30 Nov 2013 #55
After the fall of the Wall, pan-German identity became more important than at practically any time since the end of WWII, McDouche, you don't know what you're talking about! Placards everywhere I turned, "Wir sind ein Volk!" (We are one nation!, Jesteśmy jednym narodem!) and "Die Mauer ist weg, jetzt muss auch die Mauer im Kopf weg!" (Now that the Wall's gone, the mental barrier between us must go too!) etc.

Nowadays I'll grant you there's been an inordinate degree of multi-culti rhetoric throughout much of Central Europe. Nonetheless, the idea of German and Poland uniting remains sheer poppycock:-)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
30 Nov 2013 #56
Nonsense, They are not.

According to this survey, they are.

cbos.pl/PL/publikacje/public_opinion/2013/02_2013.pdf

Serbs are less popular than Egyptians, even Russians. They like GERMANS much more than Serbs
TheOther 6 | 3,978
30 Nov 2013 #57
They like GERMANS much more than Serbs

Oh the irony... :)
Ironside 49 | 9,997
30 Nov 2013 #58
Serbs are less popular than Egyptians, even Russians. They like GERMANS much more than Serbs

They don't care about Serbs and heard about Germany. Given a fact that pro-German propaganda is on full blast in Poland and that 89% of the press is in German hands it is hardly surprising.
Crow 137 | 7,833
30 Nov 2013 #59
In the last couple of decades Poles have fought alongside Germans in three wars that resulted from Serbian aggression (the Croatian war of independence, the Bosnian war of independence and the the Kosovan war of independence). Those facts reflect how Poles really feel when given a choice between uniting with Germans or uniting with Serbs and may explain why Serbs don't like Poles.

all nonsenses. Total nonsenses.

Serbs are less popular than Egyptians, even Russians. They like GERMANS much more than Serbs

See, peterweg, that what Poles likes in Germans is Serbs in Germans. Yes, you didn`r know. Germans are just former Serbs, well germanized and manipulated in their brain but, still, just Serbs. Well, hand on heart, very few of Germans is actually of Polish origin.
TheOther 6 | 3,978
30 Nov 2013 #60
Well, hand on heart, very few of Germans is actually of Polish origin.

Just 1.5 - 2 million... :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_diaspora#Germany


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