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Poland fines singer for bashing Bible


a.k.
17 Jan 2012 #31
Which is ridiculous coming from a American,

Yeah, isn't it? They are so puritan that they cannot show a woman's breast in a movie because it will be x-rated.
Wedle 16 | 496
17 Jan 2012 #32
A false comparison. She was giving her opinion on a book.

She was also giving her opinion, when she told journalists she had found her faith again after her boyfriend survived his cancer ordeal. If I am correct. she used the words ' divine intervention'.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
18 Jan 2012 #33
Christians were outraged, but the arty-farty and liberal media types, especially those of the 'chosen race' who run the show were invoking freedom of artistic expression.

the difference being, it is legal in the USA, which is my point. do it in Poland and you're breaking the law.

Should they be able to make a mockery and abuse freedom of speech just to make a few bucks ?

if it's legal.

Yes you cannot offend the head of the goverment.

Which means you do not have freedom of speech in your country. Bummer.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
18 Jan 2012 #34
the difference being, it is legal in the USA, which is my point. do it in Poland and you're breaking the law.

Would it honestly be legal to dip the Star of David in a jar of **** in the USA?

Which means you do not have freedom of speech in your country. Bummer.

Remind us why Wikipedia is shutting down for 24 hours again?

You're in dreamland if you think the US has freedom of speech.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
18 Jan 2012 #35
Would it honestly be legal to dip the Star of David in a jar of **** in the USA?

yep.

You're in dreamland if you think the US has freedom of speech.

That probably depends on your definition. Just have a quick read through the last 20 posts or so on this thread and you can see what I mean. Everyone views "Freedom of Speech" differently.
shewolf 5 | 1,077
18 Jan 2012 #36
"because it's hard to believe in something that was written by someone drunk on wine and smoking some herbs."

Does she write her own music? Because people sometimes see in others what they see in themselves.
BBman - | 344
18 Jan 2012 #37
fine of 5000 zlotys (NZ$1827) for offending religious feelings.

Looks like Poland is becoming more like north american and western europe:)
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Jan 2012 #38
Ecclesiastes Is the most noble book in the entire Old Testament

Don't confuse the beauty of the 17th century British translation with the disturbing 3rd Century BC original!

The right to free speech is one that was hard won. If Doda has been prosecuted under a law (of questionable legality in the European Courts) that was brought in by the Ducks/Giertych coalition the question is how far can this be carried. Almost everything can be construed as offending someone's religious feeling. So the next step will be someone being prosecuted for telling a Jehovah's Witness to F*ck Off when they come knocking.
jasondmzk
18 Jan 2012 #39
This is a blatant violation of freedom of speech. I'm glad I live in America and not the shithole Poland.

Uh, kindly leave the good ol U.S. of A outta this, man. We don't need your brand of representation.
EM_Wave 9 | 311
18 Jan 2012 #40
I believe there's nothing wrong with pointing out how ridiculous it is that you can be fined in Poland for saying a negative opinion about a religious book.
jasondmzk
18 Jan 2012 #41
Calling other peoples' country a "shithole" is a sorry way to make an argument, man. All I'm saying.
Meathead 5 | 470
18 Jan 2012 #42
water made people sick.

Before the development of water purification systems wine, beer and spirits were originally used to purify water. Plastic Pole is correct.
modafinil - | 418
18 Jan 2012 #43
This is a blatant violation of freedom of speech. I'm glad I live in America and not that shi[thole Poland.

No it is more I abhor vacuous statements much like everything you post here. I like America's free speech as it makes it easier to spot the simpletons.
Meathead 5 | 470
18 Jan 2012 #44
Uh, kindly leave the good ol U.S. of A outta this, man. We don't need your brand of representation.

Do you know how Americans define Freedom? Read the first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights.
jasondmzk
18 Jan 2012 #45
Do you know how Americans define Freedom?

Didn't you hear, all generalizations are false.
Harry
18 Jan 2012 #46
" Would it honestly be legal to dip the Star of David in a jar of **** in the USA?"
Well, it is legal there to burn the qu 'ran....
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
18 Jan 2012 #47
Ironside

tell me you're joking

It has nothing to do with criticizing religion and everything with respect where there is no respect there is nothing.

Then, following your way of thinking, one should face fines for making any offensive remarks in public, is that not where you're thinking leads?

Before the development of water purification systems wine, beer and spirits were originally used to purify water. Plastic Pole is correct.

is correct that water made people sick AND that the writers of the bible ONLY drank diluted spirits or simply that water DID make people sick? I ask because you presented a partial quote so I am wondering if Plastic Pole is completely correct on a part of what was written.
a.k.
18 Jan 2012 #48
Then, following your way of thinking, one should face fines for making any offensive remarks in public,

That is the Polish law. You cannot make offensive remarks in public. One can sue you... but in most cases no body sues anyone.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
18 Jan 2012 #49
That is the Polish law.

Thanks for the info.
now one can ask if that is really a sensible law. Perhaps Poles make it work by not being as retarded as Brits or Americans would be or perhaps the judicial system here prevents it from really being a problem.
a.k.
18 Jan 2012 #50
Polish people don't like to deal with courts. One must really get on someone's nerves. I believe it was only one guy who went to court with the Doda's statements.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
18 Jan 2012 #51
Then, following your way of thinking, one should face fines for making any offensive remarks in public, is that not where you're thinking leads?

Adding to that, you would also be giving a few talking heads in Warsaw the power to decide what is offensive and what's not with the power to fine you and throw you in jail for it. I don't know how that sounds like a good idea to any rational human being.

One can sue you... but in most cases no body sues anyone.

my guess.....because they want the same freedom when their time comes to speak their mind in public. freedom wins.

If saying the Bible is "ridiculous" is offensive, how is it not offensive then for millions of Poles to insist that the Bible is true? I think it's ridiculous and that you're insulting my intelligence, you insist that it's true.....why do they win and I lose?
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
18 Jan 2012 #52
the potential for sarcasm here is almost overpowering however note my restraint I would like this to be an example for other posters
a lesson in forum etiquette

No need to pat yourself on the back too much. I was merely biding my time until the person who made that statement to overextend their claim. I.E. YOU SPOILED MY FUN!!!

Even though it would have depended on whether one was able to access artesian wells or water table wells and to what extent run-off and (at the time) sewage seepage or agricultural seepage infected those supplies, it still would be laughable to suggest that's the only way people rehydrated themselves.

Even if you just accessed lake water or river water, it's likely they would have been able to discern which sources proved safer through natural filtration alone. On top of all that, the people of one geographic area get used to commonly occurring bacteria rather quickly. The problem arises in algal blooms and, as you mentioned or sudden or uncommonly large ecoli source contamination (something which can also occur during a fish kill due to an algal bloom or untimely turnover).

it is the fermentation process which kills off the nasties not the mixing

The mixing dilutes the contaminants hence there being "safe" levels of contamination accepted by most national health and safety organizations. The mixing, could also kill off contaminants if the right chemical reaction took place. That's why adding some chemicals to water disinfect it.
hythorn 3 | 580
18 Jan 2012 #53
why do they win and I lose?

because eternal salvation awaits and that is something significant to lose

repent... there is still time

on another note, without the Catholic Church (love em, hate em, but do not discount what they have done for the Polish nation)
it is unlikely that Poland would have survived all these centuries, so if Doda gets a fine for upsetting
a load of old ladies who look after cats, then I do not have a problem with it

personally I find her dress sense and bad-girl rock chick persona coupled with the fact that she is a talentless cow far more offensive
yehudi 1 | 433
18 Jan 2012 #54
especially those of the 'chosen race' who run the show were invoking freedom of artistic expression.

Couldnt resist the chance to put The Jews in this discussion, could you?
For the record, I find it surprising that she should be fined for saying that she doesn't believe in the Bible. Is that a crime in Poland? You don't believe in the bible and no one bothers you. If you believed in it, you would know who was "chosen".
hythorn 3 | 580
18 Jan 2012 #55
it still would be laughable to suggest that's the only way people rehydrated themselves.

absolutely correct however if you were in a London inn five hundred years ago drinking the water would have been unwise
that is unless you fancied the idea of turning your digesive tract into a nature reserve for bacteria

as for the concept of mixing wine with contaminated water in a hope to purify it, frankly I am sceptical

the lambrusco and septic tank example (although extreme) springs to mind

If you believed in it, you would know who was "chosen".

oh dear, there you go opening Pandora's box again, just wait until right wing America wakes up later this afternoon...

how were my comments about the kosher diet and its influence on food hygiene (vice versa)?
Ironside 50 | 10,939
18 Jan 2012 #56
, I find it surprising that she should be fined for saying that she doesn't believe in the Bible.

For publicly talking rubbish about the Bible, not stating that she find the Bible meaningless.
\she is pop-singer without substance its all stunt for publicity - that is the reason I think she should be fined. (but she wont be )
Barney 15 | 1,477
18 Jan 2012 #57
Alcohol was not used as a disinfectant or purifier.

The shellfish thing, I remember that lemon juice was initially used to see if the oyster for eg was alive thus safe to eat.
hythorn 3 | 580
18 Jan 2012 #58
I would not be surprised if she does not pay the fine voluntarily and issue an apology
that way it is even more publicity
modafinil - | 418
18 Jan 2012 #59
If you believed in it, you would know who was "chosen".

Christians will use the parable of the wedding banquet in Luke 14 to claim they are inheritors also. But without the need for Mosaic law due to the sacrifice of rabbi Jesus.

Hard to mention the bible without mentioning Jews...they got all the starring roles.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
18 Jan 2012 #60
she is pop-singer without substance its all stunt for publicity - that is the reason I think she should be fined.

Face it, you're saying that because she insulted YOUR religion. If she had said, "I think Buddhism is completely ridiculous," we wouldn't hear a peep out of you. THAT is why this Polish law is ridiculous. People like you decide what is insulting and what is not and your judgment is affected by your own personal interests.

Public stunts for public exposure have been done countless times in the past yet now you have a problem with this particular incident and want someone to face legal consequence?

Stop it.


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