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European News and Poland Thread - part 4


jon357  73 | 24520
13 Jun 2025   #511
I'm a functionalist in that I'm in favor of policies that improve human life and happiness

That's what we have back home now.

Steady change is sustainable change and yes, it's a paradox that the only way to make that is to work through grindingly slow bureaucracy.
OP Novichok  6 | 9578
13 Jun 2025   #512
I'm in favor of policies that improve human life and happiness

I am in favor of making migrant life as painful as legally possible to cause them to GTFO and go back home - even if home is a public latrine...
Miloslaw  25 | 5481
13 Jun 2025   #513
I am in favor of making migrant life as painful as legally possible to cause them to GTFO and go back home - even if home is a public latrine...

I couldn't agree more.......we don't need that scum in the west.
johnny reb  49 | 8089
13 Jun 2025   #514
what about the majority of people who like progress?

What you call progress and what I call progress are two very different things.
You are using a very broad paint brush, Mr. Twister
How about, the majority of people who like Moral advancement and improvements of ethical standards.
OP Novichok  6 | 9578
13 Jun 2025   #515
What you call progress and what I call progress are two very different things.

I can explain...

One man, one woman for life - medieval and retarded

100 "lovers", STDs, 5 kids, each with a different black sperm donor - progressive and commendable

See how simple things can be...Me a genius again...
johnny reb  49 | 8089
13 Jun 2025   #516
@Novi
Makes you wonder what kind of poor parenting happened in his childhood that made him turn out to be such a sick and pathetic human being.
Ironside  51 | 13436
14 Jun 2025   #517
Can you turn the clock back?

There is no linear progress.
While there may be some improvements over time, progressivism is not solely about that. It involves implementing misguided ideas and imposing them on people.
Anyone with common sense and knowledge would oppose this approach.
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So what. Is practically, productive and in line with 'human nature' whatever is?

There is no single solution or recipe that guarantees success. Modernity has brought forth the notion that there is one specific formula, which, if followed exactly, will ensure general well-being and prosperity for mankind. This is the biggest delusion. There is no cure-all for the problems of the world.

The divide between left and right, and between conservatives and liberals, arises from a democratic party system that makes it easier for people to categorize themselves into groups. This categorization is limited in its usefulness. Therefore, I prefer not to use these labels, as they are imprecise and do not accurately represent an individual's thoughts, if they have any at all.
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And what about the majority of people who like progress?

What majority? Are you referring to those with strong opinions? They make up about 20% of every society; another 20% consists of the criminal class or those who are struggling both morally and materially. The remaining 60% tend to follow the top 20%. If the top 20% has a consensus, the followers will align with their opinion. So what exactly are you asking me here?
jon357  73 | 24520
14 Jun 2025   #518
misguided ideas

Who decides which ideas are "misguided" and which aren't?

There is no single solution or recipe that guarantees success. Modernity has brought forth the notion that there is one specific formula

That's the old "no labels, no solutions" argument. Don't you think it's a paradox, I-S, how rejecting progress always gets dressed up as wisdom. Clarity isn't delusional; it's how humanity truly moves forward most sustainably.

Are you referring to those with strong opinions? They make up about 20% of every society; another 20% consists of the criminal class

So... progress is just a niche hobby, the poor are a moral threat, and the masses are sheep? Sounds less like analysis and more like a convenient excuse to ignore change.

Reducing people to percentages and dismissing their agency isn't insight - it's elitism. Progress isn't driven by a chosen few; it's built when ordinary people demand better and refuse to be written off.
Ironside  51 | 13436
14 Jun 2025   #519
Who decides which ideas are "misguided" and which aren't?

Who decides which ideas are "misguided" and which are not? It's often determined by the consequences of their implementation in real life, both in the short term and long term. Additionally, it involves people like us who are qualified to make those decisions. In forums like this, it's not just you and me; there may be two or three others who are also capable of participating in this discussion. Talking about elitism - talking about reality.
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I-S, how rejecting progress always gets dressed up as wisdom

As for rejecting progress, I don't oppose change if that's what you're referring to. I reject changes that are artificially imposed, presented as gifts to humanity, when their true motives and outcomes are dark and sinister. Recognizing this is a matter of wisdom and realism for me. While you may define it differently, I stand by my choice to call it wisdom.
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Clarity isn't delusional;

The real question is: who can see clearly, and whose vision is clouded?
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it's how humanity truly moves forward most sustainably.

As for the notion of progress, considering how the world develops, can you be certain that your version of progress is genuinely moving humanity forward? Or will we ultimately witness something akin to regression?
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Reducing people to percentages and dismissing their agency isn't insight - it's elitism

I don't reduce people to percentages or dismiss their agency or expectations. There are many factors at play, and I'm simplifying my argument for clarity. What I mean is that even if the majority of people have an agenda, they won't act coherently or achieve the desired change without guidance from the top 20 percent of leaders.

In Western civilization, we are more attuned to people's needs. In some other countries, people may have needs, but they will struggle to fulfill them because their systems won't allow it. These systems often elevate the top 20 percent into a ruling class, and if they reject the system, the system ultimately rejects them-Russia is a prime example of this dynamic.
jon357  73 | 24520
14 Jun 2025   #520
Looks like you and I both had the same idea about a post 🤒
johnny reb  49 | 8089
17 Jun 2025   #521
Great Britain used to be the leading nation in the world.
Now, especially after Brexit, Great Britain is struggling to find its place in the world.
OP Novichok  6 | 9578
17 Jun 2025   #522
Great Britain is struggling to find its place in the world.

That's what happens when a country stops protecting its own and sides with the invaders. Then even the invading scum feels contempt for the host.

Those riots in LA are a perfect example of how it works. Thank God we have ICE, the Marines, and Trump.

In Sweden, white Swedes passively stand by as Somalis rape their women. "Disgusting slime" is not good enough for these passive aholes...
johnny reb  49 | 8089
17 Jun 2025   #523
That's what happens when a country stops protecting its own

Ii don't think they could if they wanted to.
Britain is not prepared for a war.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/britain-s-missile-gap-is-now-undeniable/ar-AA1DVkg3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=31921415e3e24447ba58a185fab24500&ei=18
OP Novichok  6 | 9578
17 Jun 2025   #524
That's what happens when a country stops protecting its own and sides with the invaders.

Just to be clear...I meant protecting from the invading migrants...
johnny reb  49 | 8089
17 Jun 2025   #525
Britain is not prepared for a war.

Just to make it clear.....I meant protecting themselves from Russia.
amiga500  5 | 1686
20 Jun 2025   #526
Britain has fallen. Now everyone has to pull their weight so the same degeneracy does not occur in Poland.

Imagine yourself back 30 years ago. If somehow you had been given a glimpse into the country's future, I am pretty confident certain things would have seemed quite incredible.

That we would have ignored the well-known fact of the mass gang rape of young girls across British cities for decades;
That the British state would be unable to build a railway line between London and Birmingham and would spend nearly £100 billion proving it.
That Parliament would allow women to kill their unborn baby at any point without committing any crime.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/19/britain-i-love-dying-one-last-chance-to-save-it-yookay-uk/
jon357  73 | 24520
20 Jun 2025   #527
telegraph

You do realise that the newspaper in question has a largely over 70 and ultra traditionalist newspapers.

In Poland where the newspapers exist to say how wonderful the new bridges, stadiums and monuments are and how great the leader is and avoid mentioning anything that looks bad in case an outsider bothers to translate and read it. That and endless political trivia and finance data.

Over there however, the newspapers waist to say "why oh why" and to make criticisms in order to to either advance the interests of the political party they support or to generally effect change.

If a Polish-style newspaper went on sale in the U.K. it would go bust immediately. Nobody would read it due to being boring.
jon357  73 | 24520
20 Jun 2025   #528
Reflect on the damage that 14 years of a rightwing government can do, and rejoice that we've got a decade at least to make the rich bastards in the south pay through the nose (I would personally just have the fund managers, the Tory MPs and Phil and Kirstie sent away for reeducation).

BTW, the railway line hasn't been built because nobody wants it. A Tory idea designed to make millions for their chums that has been defeated by people power,
OP Novichok  6 | 9578
2 Jul 2025   #529
Why white people are suicidal morons...



...while migrants are brilliant...
Alien  28 | 7020
14 hrs ago   #530
while migrants are brilliant

some are...that's why they emigrate.


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