Duda invited to march in Poland's Independence Day parade

Indeed. What the Party did was to recruit exactly these type of people - they would seek big, stupid young men from pathological families and give them training, good salaries and privileges - and turned them into willing machines. From memory, they formed the nucleus of the ZOMO forces - because they were very willing to inflict pain and suffering on their fellow Poles in exchange for power and money.

Real patriots don't go around chanting silly things and smashing stuff up - real patriots stay at home, clean up litter, help people and do everything they can to make Poland a better place.

Does that also hold true in your view for noisy-chanty freak parades and feminist marches?

Does this have anything to do with Poland's Independence Day parade? I don't understand why on just about every thread you have to drag LGBT issues into it.

I haven't attended the particular march in question, but I have seen plenty of damning newspaper reports and TV footage about it here in the UK. It makes international news because of the right wing thugs involved in it.

It may well be the case of the 'few' spoiling it for the 'many', but the 'few' are what the march is now becoming synonymous with.

I can't imagine any politician, let alone the president wanting to be associated with it.
Don't forget there is a world of difference between patriotism and nationalism.

The media hyenas are mainly to blame for focusing only on the extrteme, drastic and sensational. Apparently they believe that's what the masses want to see and read about. Maybe they're right?!

All of the Warsaw nationalists I know (including some who apparently used to be proper naughty boys back in the day) didn't bother going to the last one. As far as they are concerned the event is now just an excuse for country bumpkins to have a day out in the city and feel like big men by shouting "Chodz kurwa" at riot police when they know there's no chance the police will touch them.

I was told by one mischief maker that the Lech guys see it as an excuse to trash Warsaw and nothing else. The chance to rip up the centre of Warsaw and get away with it is just too good to refuse in their eyes.


Thing is Polonius, a lot of such people are involved with charity work - they are the genuine patriots, even if they don't say so. I know one very very gay guy in Poznań - "flamboyant" doesn't describe him well enough. Yet he volunteers with his local parish on some social projects - the local priests accept him, he accepts them, and they work well together.

On the flip side, I've never seen a single stereotypical "nationalist" doing a damned thing to help anyone in Poland.

Look at America - volunteering is seen as a very patriotic thing to do. Where are the nationalists when it comes to doing anything other than drinking beer and being unemployable?

You forgot demanding money from Western European taxpayers in return for nothing.

Pol3, there is nothing in that parade but the extreme and violent. If you are so convinced that ordinary law-abiding people go on such parades then go with them and right in the middle of it speak loudly in English. I dare you.

Well, it must have changed. Last time I attended, maybe 3-4 years ago, most of the violence was on the telly. The parade itself was mostly ordinary Poles.

Unfortunately, this is what makes news these days, and in last year's march over 270 were arrested and 75 people injured, so of course it's going to be newsworthy. Many will probably be wondering if this is the fifth year in a row that there will be trouble.


It's a shame because it reflects Poland in such a bad light, when I'm sure the majority of Poles are law abiding and well behaved.

Didn't you say that you were at the one which was less than two years ago? That was the one where the people you claim are ordinary decent Poles tried to murder women and children by throwing petrol bombs into the building where they were sheltering, set fire to a much loved piece of art, tried to storm a foreign embassy and then attacked journalists before burning a TV van.


You must have a very strange view of what ordinary Poles are if you think that the masked scum who made up most of the march were ordinary Poles.

I must admit that if I were in Poland on the day of the march, it's not something I would consider attending for that very reason.

Yes, it has changed especially during the last 3-4 years in particular.

will you elaborate why you think so, pane milky?

Parades move. If you happen to be in a section wtih pram-pushing parents and scouts you may never see any violence happening 200-300 m behind. At least that was my observation of several years back -- 3, 4, maybe 5.

Nitpicking Harry will twist everybody's words, look for every tiny thing to latch onto for the sake of badmouthing his fellow-man. If so, why not start with Michnik, Grodzka, Kopacz, Tusk, Senyszyn, Środa and Biedroń -- among the most badmouthable creatures on God's good earth.

BTW you may not respect the Polish language enough to actually master it, but the least you could do is spell words and names correctly. Just type polishtypeit into google. You'll be as clueless as ever, but never accentless!

Yes, to get a good overview of the crowd one needs to either stand and watch it past or walk in the opposite direction. I did both in 2013, which is the last march you have said you were at.


There isn't even any point in asking a moderator whether that is off-topic ad him trolling, it's so utterly blatant.

people, people, Duda would come. What else he can do? To wait for next mandate? to wait that west of Europe become honest partner to Poland? to wait for even deeper assimilation of Poles? Sure not. Duda isn`t little child.

How on earth can you mention God in the same sentence as suggesting that someone is "badmouthable"?

It's like all those bald guys that turn up chanting crap about Poland being Catholics - why do I never see them in the church?

When even the Polish 'nationalist' movement turns its back on people as being utterly hopeless cases, you know those people are completely worthless. Still, at least these annual riots in Warsaw set back the Polish 'nationalist' movement and remind the nation that there is a problem with racist morons here.

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Imagine scandal if during Independence Day parade Duda publicly says that he can`t look anymore how west of Europe policing the world by their dirty schemes and that west of Europe of our time turned to be like some old Russian empire of the past but even much worse.... that are western European ugly deeds even more imbecilic then deeds of Soviet Union and that is especially nasty that USA using all Europeans as condoms.

hey people, it is truly interesting that i can`t found anything about what Duda says about Kosovo issue. Did he already said that he consider Kosovo to be Serbian province and that would official Poland annul its shameful Kosovo recognition?

Maybe we hear about it during Independence Day parade

@Crow: maybe you should start travelling and meet people instead of living in your own imaginary world. No one in Poland (and in the West more generally) gives a sh... about Kosovo, Serbia, Albania and consorts. I have never heard any Pole talking about that. 99.99% (if not 100%) of Poles look westwards.

you are liar, you know that. You also take some kitnikez

Exactly. People rarely mention those places except to criticise from time to time Serb butchery during the 90s; they are not part of the national consciousness.

Duda would in history stay remembered as great f***r of all who are against Poland. you`ll see

Yes, and the idea of Duda in the parade is an odd one. He certainly wouldn't be joining the nationalists ripping up and throwing paving stones or setting fire to TV vans - amusing though that would be to watch.

You are probably unique in holding that view, Crowie. Rather as thinking that Duda turning up for a photo-op at the official bit of the Independence Day parade somehow involves Serbia is also unique

Everyone, stick to the topic please

Merged: Independence Day in Poland - 11th November

A day full of patriotic susbstance and symbolism. President Duda delivered a moving speech in Piłsudski Square, stressing that freedom is not won once and for all but must be repeatedly gained. A display of crack military drill followed and historical re-enactmetns are due to take place. TVP1 showed an interesting docuementary on Paderewski who was seen saying: "My sole purpose in life is to restore a free and sovereign Poland. (...) First service to the homeland and only then art." He spent his entire personal fortune on patriotic and charitable activities including saving some 1.5 million peasants from starvation. He was indeed true to those words and deeds throughout his lifetime.

Anyone planning to attend the "Patriot" March (or Stadium Hoolie Parade)? Duda will not be there. Another example of something worthwhile turning into its antithesis. To a large extent the media are to blame. By seeking sensation and focusing mainly on violent peripheries they have attracted those whose only interest is a good punch-up and enabled the march to degenerate.

Really? Say who? Why you saying all those things when PiS is in power and you were defending march when PO was in power. edited

Yeah I also watched the program on tvp1, and I agree the speech my Duda really hit the mark,.

I was surprised that so few people fly the the Polish flag in my village here in lower Silesia, I think that many of them have lost their sense of pride in Poland, or they just can't be bothered.

The march has progressively degenerated. The bulk of marchers were originally normal, decent Poles, Boy Scouts and Girl Guides, ex-servicemen, uniformed services, families with youngsters led by the hand or pushed in prams and strollers...

But the moment disturbances erupted on the sidelines or in small pockets in the broad flowing river of patriotic Poles, the tabloidised media felt that thousands of peaceful marchers were boring and preferred to focused on the trouble-makers. Each year that attracted more trouble-makers until last year (I believe) PiS disassociated themselves from the march. The truth is the same regardless of who is in power.

Polonius there are no more trouble-makers that in any given time in the past, you don't know what you are talking about.

Every event like that attract all kind of scum, it is the policy duty as they are getting paid for that to distinguish between those who are taking part in the march and troublemakers - until now it was the police that were creating problems i.e. attracting in the way one might call - provocation.

The truth is the same but not everyone's got equal access to it. The number of today's marchers has ranged from 15,000 to 100,000 but who can know for sure, especially at night. There is only on sure-fire method: count the legs in the crowd and divide by two.

Seriosuly though, police so far have reported no serious incidents. The number of Polish flags was staggering. Some were shooting off fireworks despite a ban. All in all, this was probably the most peaceful march in years.