Coronavirus in Poland - part 2

Thanks for the document.

Can you show me where I said there should or shouldn't be a profit motive?

My reply was to point out your error that Europe doesn't have for-profit hospitals. They do.

You see, jon, I believe real effective solutions have a better chance of being devised when they are based in as much reality and precision as possible.

This whole for-profit/non-profit thing is misleading, just because something is "non-profit" doesn't mean it doesn't consume vast amounts of resources , which, in turn, effects to quantity, quality, and development of care.

The gial is quality if care for thise who need it. The question is how to best provide that.

Thank your government.


There isn't one for Covid treatment in Europe. Why would there be?


That's why developed countries have universal healthcare as a reality. Why involve insurance companies?

That tells me that you are a mean and heartless person who places facts, numbers, and common sense ahead of feeeeeelings.

Or an engineer like me...Same thing. We are mean sobs because we believe that we can't spend money we don't have...

Fortunately, it's not factory workers, insurance clerks or capitalists that run healthcare in developed countries.

Never said there would be, but non-profit doesn't mean there aren't large amounts of money being consumed and even pocketed by, say, administrators.


I'm not crazy about insurance companies being involved in everything, but it's no worse, may even be better, than gov-controlled. It's not like these universal systems aren't in trouble.

Are you suggesting that there's corruption among health service managers?

And what about large sums of money being 'pocketed' by so-called investors? Why would there be a need for that?


"These"?

Health and social care in developed countries does work, despite right-wing politicians being in office every few yearstand trying to destroy them. We complain; about it sometimes, and our media love little more, however such whines really ar a case of "this Rolls Royce is going too slowly".

And of course when we had the pandemic, everyone pulled together; the health of a nation is a shared matter, so ebbing for all of us and for the future, do you not agree?

@jon357

I didn't say corruption-I said pocketed, meaning receiving money-not all reception of money is corrupt. My point is that no -profit administrators receive handsome salaries and may have significant incentives attached to their compensation packages.

Here in the US most hospitals are non-profit, which really means they don't have shareholders and they don't pay income tax. For-profits, have shareholders and pay income tax. It's either the same or close in kist European nations.

Putting aside that not all insurance companies are owned by investors but policyholders themselves, how is it corruption that someone who invests in a company pockets its profits?

If what you actually mean by investors are the executives and management teams, then both for and non profit healthcare providers have them and they exist in the same market and receive similiar compensation.


And, America, a developed nation in every sense of the term,pulled through without being a universal system. You seem to not take that into account.

Wages?

Do people in "for profit" companies work for free then?


Except for healthcare, crime levels, capital punishment, workers rights, access to pregnancy termination, and their electoral system.

Huh? Where the hell does all that come from?


For some reason your "criticism" makes me feel pretty good about the good ole USA. We may be doing somethings right afterall. Thanks for bouying my spirits jonathan! 😄

Certainly not healthcare.

The moral of the story is for you not to start arguments you can't win.

And, btw, you got my name wrong; it's not short for anything.

Two things in life are very hard:

1. Driving from NYC to Paris
2. Explaining to leftist morons that it's a lot easier to be hired by a rich, blood-sucking capitalist than a homeless bum.


Only if you ignore 10 million refugees who came here in the last 4 years to help us out of our never-ending misery and econ depression...by bringing their superior education and experience.

Kamala for President!!!

I don't start arguments to win or lose-that's boring.


What are the numbers about..I notice they are odd numbers?

Geometry. Chosen for here and for ease of typing.

It's perhaps a little unusual to have a three letter name that looks as if it's short for things but isn't however such names do exist. Of course when it's just a screen name for here it's just three letters and may as well be Bob or Sam. Elsewhere on the internet, I use other screen names, often one particular one that I thought of using here however a previous poster who was her ages ago used that name.

My actual name begins with a different letter of the alphabet, and is so unusual that nobody would guess it in a decade of guessing.

Ant, as a favor to me, please tell the assfucker that both my wife and I were 6 months away from certain death.
Then the evil American healthcare system stepped in and spent close to half a million bucks to keep two old retiress alive a little longer.

Memo to Euros: GFY.

I can see a cardio doc in a week just because I want to. How many months would it take in your healthcare heaven, azholes?

Certainly !

Jon, Novi asked me to tell you:

And you happily act as Novi`s przydupas. AmaSSing! ):):)

@pawian

What's happenimg Pawian?

Tell him to shít or get off the pot regarding his much mentioned ignore list. That or see a psychiatrist if he can afford one there.. And less of the "little"...

Good that he didn't go bankrupt, like so many there every year, or have to join a medicines 'lottery'.

Then again, he lives in a heavily Democrat area...


I've not heard that word for a decade. Or puścidupa. Both do fit 5bough.

Happening that you allow Novi to make his errand przydupas of you as if he wasn`t able to talk to jon himself.

@pawian

You seem uptight.

Novi, Jon has responded. Seems like he wants you to die by suicide....as the conduit of this message, I deem it my responsibility to offer an alternative and suggest you take your pills as prescribed by your capitalist doctor:


Just and FYI: as much as I like to bring people together, I will not be able to pass along any more messages this evening as I am calling it a day. Have a great wekend.

Cheaper than assisted dying probably. And there's plausible deniability if he makes it look like he spilt his meds into a dish of jelly tots.

Now you are my firend for life.

This video is to make JR happier...and to congratulate him for standing alone here against Covid insanity...

Nice to see that you are cosying up to a paedophile lover.....

Thanks Novi and back at ya.
With old age comes wisdom.

Bill Gates and others are allowed to stand trial in the Netherlands over Covid vaccines in a civil suit. But of course there is nothing to see here either.

What are they accused of?

@Alien
He and others claimed that the vaccines were safe. There are proofs now that they are not safe. Still no studies have been done on the safety of any COVID vaccine, but studies have now directly linked them to medical complications in some people. Not an anti vax person, but I regret getting this jab and have had COVID three times.

They were safely administered to millions.


All medicines have side effects and the impact on vaccination programmes on society as a whole is more valuable than a relatively small number of adverse reactions.

@jon357
A forced vaccination that cost people their lives, jobs, ability to travel, and other issues. In the EU alone more than 11,000 people died because of the vaccines, and that number was a year and a half ago. To say all medicines have side effects is fine, but this medicine was not tested like all other medicines before and the side effects were unknown. Tell that to the family members of those that died, lost their job or lost their home because of idiotic vaccination policy and even more idiotic lockdowns.

We now know that the experimental poke was not safe.

That we know of and how many that we don't know of ?
Fauci should be given the death penalty for killing millions too.
Notice how he has just dropped out of the picture and gone into hiding with his $millions$.