Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia?

Our cause is right.

God is with us.

If the Almighty thought we were killing too many innocents, he would send us problems. Instead, he gives us at every step exactly what we need - including Donald J. Trump.

We take what is ours, and we restore the natural balance of the universe - cleaning the Earth of its impurities in the process.

God likes hunting civilians with drones? Who knew?

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russia is filth....

Most certainly yes, a lot of Poles of high stature and less betted on Russia for a myriad of reasons. It's own defeat in ww1 were a disappointment for many (especially those of pro-Slavic leanings). The west didn't conclude as such since Lenin took over shortly and the Soviet Union was seen as hope of the workers worldwide. Yet the Soviet Union was seen as a caricature of what Russia had been and could never come back to the world stage on it's own.

Situation changed back and forth, yet very few saw the Soviet Union as a ideal, or a power to strive after or be inspired by. (In comparison to many Poles being inspired by the greatness of Tsarist Russia)

Many were depressed and saw no way out of the iron curtain until 1980's.

The west in general didn't get to be as disappointed or losing faith in Russia as a co-partner and a stable state in a region of instability until 1956 (Hungarian revolt) 1968 (Czechoslovak invasion), invasion of Afganistan. Dissolution of the Soviet Union, apparent passivity towards dissolution of Yugoslavia, conflict with Chechens, Georgians, Crimea then finally the nail in the coffin. Invasion of Ukraine.

Before invasion of Ukraine there were still British Moscow correspondents on Polish-Belarus border painting a dark situation about the migrants trying to cross the border. It all changed after that, people had enough of Russian told stories, ears were shut and hate spread.

I refuse to believe that there is a unit on the Dnieper that uses Khersonian civilians as hunting exercises.

I have seen the footage like you have. It's disgusting. But I hope it is some kind of a mistake.

If it's truly the case, then they should be executed summarily like the dogs that they are. They are worse than enemies, and are doing immeasurable damage to the cause.

They don't hide it.... they publish the videos on telegram to raise money...


What is the cause that neither you nor your dwarfish little tsarek can articulate?

the cause does immeasurable damage to the cause because it is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

The cause is the glory of Russia and protection of our homeland from the encroachment of hostile parties.

It does not accrue to the glory of Russia, when we kill innocent people with FPV drones, for the crime of "surrendering Kherson back to the Ukrainians".

If we are to rely on Khersonians to defend Kherson against Ukrainians, instead of our Ground Forces, Naval Infantry, Airborne, and Spetsnaz - then our worth is zero.

We pulled out, to the other side of the river, to preserve our forces. This - after promising Khersonians we would never abandon them. AND NOW WE PUNISH THEM FOR BEING RE-OCCUPIED?

I would personally visit this unit, and put against a wall every single drone operator that thinks this is "cool" or "funny". I would send such an FPV team into storm assault infantry, but not before breaking their faces and cutting their tendons - so they have an especially joyous time advancing across the open stretch.

russia occupied Kherson and Ukraine liberated it....


Now you're getting it!

We have a deep, deep, debt before the people of Kherson.

You have a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, debt before the people of all Ukraine... to get out of Ukraine and to leave them alone to run their country as they wish.

russia has nothing positive to offer Ukraine (or any other neighbor).

We'll make it right.

One day, no one will even remember that there was a brief thirty year period of being separated from Russia.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up similar to the American Revolution, Britain being too much focused on other fronts. Pulling back areas nowadays known as Canada and just bury the hatchet and work out a deal that would turn profitable for Britain anyway.

Russia could do something similar, so far it looks more like the scenario of French Algeria or French Vietnam until the costs hit a number Russia won't be able to sustain or bluff itself out of.

France was losing from the beginning.

The Algerians kicked them out without any hope.

The CIA, and then the US Army had to bail them out of Vietnam.

In the end, the US did not do any better in Vietnam.

Funniest thing about Algeria independence is that they immediately fled to France quickly after they got their independence.

They chased the French out of their country... and followed them across the Mediterranean to France, because many, many, many Algerians prefer French to Algerian rule.

For Zinedine Zidane - any humiliation is worth it. Don't forget Benzema as well.

Exhibit A for white Euro stupidity...

Now, stupid French, eat shlt...and enjoy Algerian scum...

BTW...Does anyone here know why the French lost their brains and let this garbage into France?

By shooting down more airliners? It's the 11th anniversary of russian scum shooting down flight MH17..... and then they proudly posed in the wreckage and held up the toy of a child they killed (technically it might be different russians who shot down the plane vs those that celebrated it).

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By grieving together, in the way only a brother can grieve.

What glory and when was it?


Which is where it's at right now.... zero.....


You need putting against a wall and being shot by Ukrainian patriots.....you are a complete Soviet and a waste of space!

Tough words, from a slithering grey worm who has never worn a uniform, or sacrificed for someone else without asking for anything in return.

Are you going to celebrate the anniversary of the US shooting down an Iranian jumbo?


Bobko is in our space and we are glad to have him here...

Your space is reserved for future undocumented arrivals...

I didn't, but many around the world did just that while drinking champagne. Just a few days ago.

How can poland trust Russia?

Poland has barely any local industries to compete with Russia...even worse than Ukraine

Better question is - how has Russia ever betrayed Poland?

Did we use you as cannon fodder, while holding our men back?

Did we ever stop at your border - and announce the mission complete - or did we liberate you fully and then others?

Did we rob your industry and your treasure - leaving you on a starvation diet - or did we help you rebuild?

When has a Russian ever asked a Pole to do something, that a Russian wasn't willing to do himself?

What is betrayal? Occupation? Conquest? That's not betrayal.

When stupid hateful people are out of arguments they say stupid hateful shlt.

Yes, during partitions. That was one of the reasons why uprisings happened. Poland was losing a lot of men in your wars.


You stopped at the river and watched the Nazis burn Warsaw to the ground.


Of course o_O After you "liberated" Poland lol I even wrote about it on the forum (and provided links to articles). 🙄🤦

@Bobko

Also, under the horrible Soviet domination 1945-89, Polish population almost doubled (from 23 to 40 million) and overwhelming majority were Poles.

Poland, even if politically dependent on the SU, was ethnically, linguistically and culturally almost 100% Polish.

What happened to our internal ethnic cohesion and birth rates after we "regained freedom", everyone can see.


Well, I wouldn't say "betrayed" - you were simply an enemy: partitions, uprisings, Polish-Soviet war, Ribbentrop-Molotov, 17.09.1939, Katyn, eating popcorn while watching the slaughter of Warsaw. Enemies. It would be strange to accuse an enemy of betrayal.

However, you saved us from nazi genocide, and when we were Warsaw Pact allies (even if not entirely out of our own accord), you behaved rather decently.

And, not to forget, when we finally decided to go our own way, you withdrew your troops without a single shot (which wasn't, I suppose, the only option back then).

... and you will play one more important role in Polish history, before our glorious revival.

As always, people tend to chatter about trivial matters. Poland is facing asymmetric warfare from Belarus, effectively making it a proxy war with Russia. Our government seems ineffective, focusing on irrelevant issues instead of addressing critical threats. For instance, we should be taking decisive action against the criminals attempting to cross our eastern border to enhance our internal security and guard against sabotage. Additionally, we need to adopt a stronger stance within the EU, as its regulations are detrimental to our ability to defend ourselves.

Tusk continues to spread falsehoods and fails to fulfill the responsibilities of governance.
That is a problem and not a theoretical issue: what is an illegal migrant, and what to do with it?
Or even more bizarre and abstract issue of a strategic alliance with Russia.

The Red Army did what it was supposed to do in this order:

1. Liberate the USSR
2. Occupy Germany
3. Win the war
4. Minimize its casualties
5. Rest and resupply before entering Warsaw
6. Wait for the river to freeze.

Assisting AK was not on the list.

The post-war baby boom was a universal phenomenon and it happened all over the world:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-20th_century_baby_boom


Yeah, thanks to Nazi genocide and people being forcibly deported by the Soviets and Polish communists from lands where they lived for generations - that's so f*cking "amazing" according to you? o_O


Compared to whom? The Nazis? lol *sigh* 🙄🤦


You sound like Poles suddenly made up their minds about communism and Soviet domination only in 1992 :D Are you freaking serious?? Torq, ffs...


Yeah, sure, they were waiting for hell to freeze lol Stalin wanted the AK to bleed out so the Soviets would have an easier time to take over Poland - that's all there is to it.