Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia?

Neither.

Historical analogies can be useful but they are rarely precise.

For me, a black and brown, half-Muslim Poland doesn't make sense and I couldn't give two f*cks about such country, whether it is ruled by a narrow elite of "Poles", Eskimos or Martians.

My Poland is Slavic, Sarmat and Christian. Anything else is an abomination, as important and relevant to me as Papua New Guinea.

That's why I believe God will send us the revival, and Poland will be the spark that rekindles the fire of Christianitas in Europe again.

The only reliable way to have a revival - in the current dismal demographic context - is a terrible war where we lose large portions of our population.

These wars that shake everything to the foundation, paradoxically, make people reproduce more.

If everyone continues to grow fat, lazy, and selfish through life in a capitalist aquarium - you won't get a sudden and unexpected boost in birth rates.

You need a nuclear holocaust, or a plague - then whatever Poles and Russians remain will reproduce enthusiastically.

There's many reasons why this is so - housing, land, public health, etc.

So unless you are willing to send 50% of Poland to their death - you won't save Poland. No one has managed it. Not the French. Not the Koreans. Not the Russians. There is no amount of money or incentives that will make people produce families again, unless we throw them back to an earlier state of existence.

Don't count on it...Give every adult an AR-15, 1000 rounds, and legal immunity...Problem solved.

That's a fair point of view, however the ancient Burgundians who were the earliest known inhabitants of what is now Poland would have had a hard time imagining Slavs and Mieszko himself would probably be appalled by what he saw if he came back today.


That means nothing. Skin colour is zero.


St John Paul the Great gave a discreet. Interview to an obscure German religious magazine shortly after becoming Pope. Later on Cardinal Ratzinger denied that the interview had ever happened and although it was a low circulation magazine, it's possible that the church may have tried to destroy copies of it later on. Nevertheless, a handful of copies exist.

In the interview, he talked about the third secret of Fatima. It''s notable that what he said didn't gel with the secret (or partial secret) that the church revealed later.

It's odd that he said so much, and what he said really was very different to the revealed secret that was published decades later. He also said that there was little point revealing a prophecy that was terrible and in its nature inevitable.

He seemed to imply that there were several parts to the prophecy and all he really let on were crumbs that could be interpreted in several ways. Little to do with internal church affairs as some have suggested.

The crumbs he dropped (and he was a very honest person) could be interpreted as irreversible global warming that will kill most of us. That or a meteorite.
Life is short, precious and fragile. Nothing lasts for ever. Dinosaurs became birds and our world today has continents where they weren't before and won't be in the future.

We still don't know what UFOs are. Aliens? Us from the future? Things from other dimensions? Very good AI sent by someone? Something under the sea (where UFOs are mostly seen)? Someone/something that has been here all along? There's no reason for UFOs to contain meat; we already have AI powered drones.

The future will be stranger than we can imagine.

Well... in Dune - you have the House Harkonnen - led by a Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

In Star Trek you had Chekhov - Kirk's trusty navigator.

Obviously - these authors were projecting their then present day reality of the Cold War into the distant future. But still, even those authors thought that even ten thousand years from now - there would still be traces of who was Russian, who was English, and so on. This... due to the extraordinary impact of our specific age across the past 200,000 years.

It gives me a little comfort, that when we may be colonizing Alpha Centauri's satellites, there will still be Grzegorzes and Borises.

Somehow, I doubt that...

I leave it in the hands of God to choose the way the revival will happen.


How would that solve the problem of low birthrates?


What nonsense.

Archaeological sites like Kraków-Spadzista and Trzebnica show evidence of hunters-gatherers communities, and around 5500 BC agriculture arrived with the Linear Pottery culture from the Danube region.

Later we had Lusatian culture (c. 1300-500 BC): one of the most prominent prehistoric cultures in Poland, known for fortified settlements and urnfield burials; then Pomeranian culture, Przeworsk culture, and Oksywie culture followed in the Iron Age, often associated with early proto-Slavic, Celtic and Germanic influences.

Many centuries later there were some Germanic invaders here (Burgundians among them) but they moved further West and after their migrations, Slavic tribes began settling the region around the 6th century AD. Later, some of those Slavic tribes united under Mieszko, accepted baptism in the Western, Latin rite and created the first Polish state.

We have been here for over a 1000 years and that's what counts.

That some people would rather believe in UFOs, unpublished prophecies and Star-Trek-like future instead of God's providence is a sad sign of the confused times that we live in.

I, therefore, have a prophecy of my own for them:

Poland will be the focal point of the coming Great Christian Revival and the centre of reborn European Christianitas. White and red flags will be flying proudly between Bug and Odra and beyond for another 1000 years, long after ordinary people forget that United States, the EU or Russian Federation ever existed...

... and everything will once again be well in the universe (as a little bird told me).

This is how problems are created, not solved.

What nonsense.

These were not Slavs or even their ancestors.

The Burgundians are the oldest known inhabitants of Mazowsze.


1000 years ago, there was no we, and despite the minor tribal chief Mieszko in the North, my ancestor, St Stephen of Hungary, had the title Overlord of Poland, not that there was any coherent Poland then.

Wrong again.

The baptism of Poland in 966 marks the beginning of Polish history (as a unified state) and Poles have every right to speak of their over a millenium long heritage in their lands.

Now stop annoying me, you son of a Brit.

According to the Poliish national mythos.

The reality is that there was no coherent Poland then or any other nation state.

You are saying that, but in reality, you lefties are going bonkers over race, skin color, and gender.
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You are disconnected from science; It was all much more complex and at the same time simpler than it seemed.
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Most insane thing ever written on this forum. next you'll be saying Great Britain does not exist.
A nation state is the accumulation of tradition, family and history. it's pretty simple. Get it?


indeed what about the denisovians and the triptilians? somehow these marxists just dumb af.

No, I know what he means. However, he is going too far to prove something impossible to prove, as the proof is in the pudding.
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However, it was a beginning. A legitimate beginning, regardless of what it was and what people think it was nowadays.

EU is constantly increasing military production, and while democratic bureaucracy moves very slowly, so authoritarian country like Russia was able to massively increase production much faster, Europe was always going to inevitably catch up and then completely eclipse Russian capability. As our production increases, there will be less and less need for American systems as countries will instead decide to buy local when they have a viable alternative. This is just another sign that it's OVER for rusniggers.

I expect some desperate last ditch effort from srus, we will probably see a massive suicidal offensive soon, because they think this summer is pretty much the last chance they have - but they're wrong, their last chance is already gone. This war will be over by the end of the year.

You are a very special boy!

If we are "rusn*ggers", would you like me to tell you how your Western overlords view you?

You think that by licking their boots, and spreading your legs for them, that you have become something more than a chimpanzee for them - my Polish friend?

It's really wonderful to see "Europeans" open their mouths, and then see the flood of "civilization" that comes out.

Thanks for not calling me an untermenschen or a slave or a mongoloid Asiatic beast today - my European Master!

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For non-retarded Poles, from Bobko:

When Poles today adopt the language of racial superiority, moral supremacy, or civilizational disgust toward Russians, you are not just mimicking Nazi rhetoric, you're also repeating a cycle of humiliation that you once suffered under.

By calling me a "rusn*gger", you betray your own historical experience, and you forfeit the moral credibility that you often (and rightfully) invoke.

It's only a symptom of western influence, just as using English linguo talking points.

Just as a person in PRL could be talking about milk bars or chained glasses. Nowadays Poles might talk about race, aliens or femboys.

Takes a presence in Poland, but not cause of Poland itself per, say but, of Poland in NATO, EU etc.

Might as well imagine Russians inventing busses with redistribution of seats for whites and non whites if influenced enough by the west.

@Mr Grunwald

The wanton racism towards Russians will one day bite "Civilized Europeans" in the ass, and in a way they can probably scarcely predict now.

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Sort of off-topic, but also... on-topic - I've been very disappointed with the Financial Times' editorial boards policy towards comments under articles.

All articles written on the topic of Israel have comments disabled.

All articles written on the topic of Russia are free to be commented on. The comments under Russian articles are full, just as on PF, with references to orcs and slaves, and frequent celebrations of the death of Russian bureaucrats or even tourists vacationing in Egypt.

Now I understand why the FT does not want comments under Israel articles. British law has powerful guardrails against platforming hate speech, and antisemitism is especially fiercely policed. So they do not want that liability. They don't want problems with advertisers, who might not want their handbag advertised next to a Nazi screed. They don't want the burden or expense of moderating the threads for antisemitic speech, etc.

But why... does the FT not care about dehumanizing Russians? Why is it safe and even encouraged to use the worst slurs and epithets against Russia? Because we had not been the primary target of the Holocaust? Because we are your favorite boogeyman for the past century, and everyone loves to hate a villain? To hate Russians means to stand up for freedom - so much so, that even genocidal language is treated as "anti-authoritarianism"?

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This duplicity, hypocrisy, and double think will f*ck you. I promise you this. You can't nourish and grow your hate for so long, without permanent repercussions for your soul.

HaHaHaHa! you have an over the top opinion of Russian power.Your country is weak and losing the war in Ukraine.
What do you actually think is the future for Russia?

Asking people not to use genocidal language towards Russians, means to have an inflated opinion of self?

P.S. - I don't know why I bother replying to you, since you always misunderstand my meaning - and then reply with something that is completely orthogonal to what I was writing.

You still haven't defined Russia's losing the war.

Without consulting Putin, I defined Russia's win. How about returning the favor and giving us, Russia lovers, something specific...

@Bobko

Poles being racist towards Russians takes some very special mental gymnastics.

It probably took some acrobatics too for Croats to consider themselves Germanic during WW2 or for Ukrainians to think it's a good idea to serve in Waffen-SS and commit genocide on Poles.

Why some people choose the path of mental retardation without techically being intellectually handicapped? One of the mysteries of the universe.


I beg to differ. WW2 was one huge slaughter of Slavic people. Jews may have suffered the largest losses percentage-wise but it was Slavs who died in greatest numbers.


And why is anti-Catholicism the last acceptable bigotry? The so-called West is not a cuddly, fluffy teddy bear; if you scratch the shiny surface there is a lot of sh*t underneath. Polar opposite to Slavia, where underneath the rough surface you find pure gold.

In 1941 alone, the Germans executed 2 million Soviet POWs.


Perfect.

From when I was just a kid, I loved Russian bajki and movies...Not long ago, I watched Masha and the Bear with my granddaughters...

Today, I like Russia just as much and hate the West for the lies and the wars that have nothing to do with self-defense.

If the US were a person, under US laws, the US would be serving life without parole in the US fed prison in Florence.

If I left my house, drove 1000 miles, and shot a guy who was beating his wife, the jury would burst out laughing when told that I was defending myself...Or protecting the woman...

Nice. :)

We like Russian fairy tales, books, movies etc. because they touch the same strings in our souls. We are brothers, and all the quasi-nazi Korvinuses of this world can do nothing to change it.


I don't hate the West. It had its moments. The medieval Christianitas was the peak of human civilisation. Unfortunately, it has degenerated terribly. Is it beyond repair? Hopefully not... but it will require divine intervention.

The US won't be sending weapons to Ukraine directly. Deliveries will go through Europe, and only on a full-cost basis - meaning the Europeans will foot the bill. To Trump, that's not direct confrontation with Moscow - it's a way to nudge the parties toward talks.

That's better than ripping me off...

Back to fairy tales...I liked Buratino a lot more than Pinocchio...Quoting:

The character of Buratino is known for his mischievousness, curiosity, and ultimately, his good-heartedness...

Just what you said...

A clarification...I hate Western Europe's impotence in defending its culture and identity. I intensely dislike US warmongers and their 1 trillion a year waste.

If China can feel secure spending 250B we can spend 250B and feel secure.

Nobody here tried to explain to me why the US needs artillery and tanks.

Europe or NATO?

Where ever a outpost or area of significance for the U.S.A (strategic minerals, factory or anything of importance is too dangerous to fall in to the wrong hands) has a fortified position that cannot be bombed or nuked due to it's significance (politically, diplomatically or whatnot)

Then tanks would be used to aid and protect advancing troops, while precise artillery would give cover and suppressive fire (similar to a machine gun, making it too dangerous to fire back) and can also potentially provide smoke cover. Especially in areas with heavily defended Anti-Air systems.

Not to mention that U.S.A is still upholding combined arms military doctrine that requires all sorts of equipment in co-operation with each other.

If U.S.A is innovative enough and learns it's lessons from Ukraine war, it will be switched out with more human wave tactics, just with the use of drones not human soldiers.

A massive wave of materially disposable drones, aided by precise aiming tanks, artillery and air cover that hits the most valueable targets. Creates a opening to advance further in. Making a defensive line completely obsolete until weapons or tactics countering massive drone waves obsolete

One theory that I've come across, is that Western liberals still want to be racist (but without appearing so), and therefore unload on poor whites, Russians, and Christians - the only three groups safe to hate.

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Then I also hear, especially from my Ukrainian friends, that it's "Kosher" to hate Russia, because it is so big and so heavily armed. That is - being the aggressor, being bigger, and being stronger - means it's fair game to troll you in whatever way the smaller fella wants to. In other words - we hate what we fear.

This logic can also be applied to white people and Christians. They are so rich, so dominant, and their influence so entrenched - that it's permissible to troll them.

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Absence of guilt is another popular explanation. The West's collective guilt over the Holocaust dictates the pussyfooting attitude towards Israel and Jews. Nobody except Germany really feels any guilt in regards to what happened to Russia. That's why Germany is the only large country in the enemy camp that advocates moderation.

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The most charitable explanation for why Russia receives so much more toxicity than the Netanyahu regime, or the Sudanese government, or the junta of Myanmar, or the Islamist government of Syria - is that on some level we are still seen as family. Psychotic, impulsive, infantile, paranoid... but still family.

That is, the West is genuinely DISAPPOINTED with Russia. They expect this type of behavior from Sudan and from Myanmar - but they did not expect it from us.

And in the way that only family members are able to be harsh - so the West is hard on us.

The amount of responsibility accorded to you, is proportionate to how stable and predictable you are. And Russia was rewarded with a lot of responsibility. Security Council veto, nuclear arsenal, G8, IMF and World Bank boards, Russia-NATO Council, etc. And with all this responsibility, Russia decided to act like a wild gorilla.

This is the most charitable explanation for why it's ok to hate Russians.

There is such a thing called raison d'etat.

Polish raison d'etat is security from Russia (and to a lesser extent, from Germany). We are ready to ally with everyone who can provide this. And we'd be fools not to. That's why NATO is good for us.

Russian raison d'etat might be different. Although I do not believe confrontation with NATO and their allies (even semi-allies like Ukraine) actually serves their interests. But it is up to them to define. If they hope to achieve something by smashing their heads against the wall, let it be so. We'll just make sure the wall is solid enough and won't break.

Poor Russian dindu nuffin.
Well, if they wish to avoid hate, not invading your neighbours is the way to go.