The un-Civic Platform of Poland?

The topic of this thread is the Warsaw recall election, I was pointing out that Americans who try to take part in the election will at best be politely asked to leave the polling station.

But let's talk about whether pseudo-Poles who live in Warsaw be allowed to vote in the recall election? Should the kind of person who won't even bother to get a single piece of paper be allowed to have a say in which the city of Varsovians is run?


I've live in Warsaw for more than 15 years, although I'd be allowed to vote in the recall election if I'd only moved here a few months ago.

You still did not explain why you think the double-checking of the Pesel numbers is not fair.


I should think that you as Poland's foremost patriot you would crave to get a Polish passport...or is there some other reason why you did not apply for it?

Who said anyhting about it being unfair? They did not list the US among the countreis one could hold citizenship in and be allowed to vote.

They also did not say the vote was denied to anyone who happened to be is a spy for the Belgian Government of His Royal Majesty?

Polish people who live in Warsaw and hold US citizenship are entitled to vote in the recall election; the point is that they have to be Polish, not American but pretending to be Polish.


Why would it be? Not that there are any such persons who post here, such a pity that we can't say the same for former communist collaborators.

Before you start lying - once again - check what you write.


I am a EU citizen and entitled to vote in Poland. Are you perhaps jealous you cannot vote here? And we can...
Get yourself that Polish passport, that for some reason you do not want...or cannot get

And spying...a statement coming from a country which is spying on the whole world....NSA and PRISM are American inventions.


Is the recall election the same as the referendum? And somewhere else on this thread I read (I think you wrote it Harry) that you have to live here 15 years to participate. I thought it was enough to be registered as a voter?

What would Polonius do without Harry, and what would Harry do without Polonius on this forum? I sometimes think they are the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde of the PF and I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone told me they indeed write from the same IP address.

All in all, I must again praise Delph for his usual sharp and witty eye for Polish politics.

Only the one his is one knows for sure. The rest of us can only suspect, guess and speculate.


That's nothing to be proud of. Being associated with that hoax of a pseudo-super-government is no claim to fame. It will soon collpase anyway, so why even bother to discuss it. Probably within a decade people will be back to their normal currencies: marks, franks, liras, etc., and it won't be any too soon.

But being an EU citizen does give one the right to vote in the recall election, which isn't something that plastic Poles have.
An as said repeatedly, if you don't like living in Europe, you are most welcome to go home to the USA; there really is no need for you to wear out the hospitality of us Varsovians.


I'm using those terms pretty much interchangeably. As for the 15 years thing, that was goofy's contribution (I just pointed out that if that were to be the criteria, I'd still qualify). It is enough to be an EU citizen registered to vote in Warsaw in order to participate (although my own participation will consist of going along to the polling station to make sure that my name is on the list and then refusing to take a ballot paper).

That means the creepy Gronkowiec may stay at the trough!? Heaven forbid!!!!!

We Varsovians will decide who our mayor is: if you don't like our choice for mayor of our city, you are welcome to move to another city or to just go home to the USA.

Poland still hasn't become part of Sick Europe -- the opt-out has so far prevented alien unconstitutional marriage norms being forced down the throat of Catholic Poland. Everything must be done to stop the spread of PC-style EU toxins at the Odra-Nysa border -- Żeby Polska była Polską!

That would be because 'Sick Europe' only exists in the minds of plastic Poles and the few Polish morons who think that Father Maybach will direct to worthy causes the money which they send him.

But anyway, back to the topic: would you like to discuss how Warsaw should treat people who claim to be Polish but are not Polish? Should plastic Poles who live in Warsaw be allowed to vote in the recall election? Should the kind of person who won't even bother to get a single piece of paper be allowed to have a say in which the city of Varsovians is run?

Truth to tell, I am not very hopeful regarding the recall. Thanks to people like you the Staph Infection will most likely survive. And Warsaw will be the worse off for it. But them's the breaks!

No, Warsaw will simply continue to be run in the way that we Varsovians want it to be run.

...by the same crooked clique!

Could you perhaps give some examples of that supposed crookedness? And please try to remember that the majority of those of us who are able to vote in the recall election don't unquestioningly believe everything that is written in Nasz Dziennik.

Here is but one example of the Gronkowiec clique accepting a 90,000 zł road-building bribe.

Eight people - officials and entrepreneurs - stopped in Warsaw Central Anticorruption Bureau , which is conducting an investigation on corruption in connection with investments road .

Detainees have from 33 to 65 years ; among them is the head of department of signaling and lighting Municipal Road in Warsaw , his deputy, office worker road and communications office of the city and entrepreneurs from Mazowieckie . As reported CBA concerned suspicion adopted by metropolitan officials at least 90 thousand . zł .

All the detainees were taken to the Regional Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, which is investigating the case. Warsaw District Prosecutor's Office spokesman Dariusz Ślepokura said that the chief and his deputy heard allegations accepting bribes . Warden erected 13 such allegations; his deputy seven.

I have better things to do than collect examples of her clique's crookedness and misrule. But if you're so inclined feel free. Just google her name (the full name is Gronkowiec-Waltz, I beleive) with such added terms as machlojki, przekręty, łapówki, etc.

How surprising that the article doesn't name the people involved but you somehow know that they are members of a non-existent clique.


Oh dear, you're lying yet again, aren't you.

We all know about this spread...does it concern priests mistreating minors? This somehow stopped at the Odra-Nysa border
And could you provide some afterthoughts on your shining patriotic feelings - despite not being Polish but American - and not having a Polish passport...and not wanting one...

As you so charmingly put it...."a piece of paper"...

Yes, indeed. Patriotism comes from the heart and soul. It's a vibe, a feeling an inner uging. Not a scrap of paper. No-one whose gran never sang him to sleep with a Polish kołysanka and made him zacierkę na mleku would understand it. Such a one will not feel choked up when the choir sings: Podnieś rękę, Boże Dziecię, błogosław Ojczyznę miłą...

Although they most certainly may be entitled to vote in the upcoming recall election.


I wonder what long dead grandmothers would make of their grandchildren refusing to be Polish.

Merged: PO snubs Polish public opinion

The PO, which only under the pressure of Kukiz's 20% result grudgingly agreed to hold a referendum, is again playing politics, snubbing the nation, trying to suppress public opinion and waste the taxpayers' money. The Platfusy (Flatfeet) oppose taking advantage of the unique opportunity of a referendum costing 100 million zł by excluding questions of vital importance to Poles. That is esp. true as regards restoration of the previous retirement age. And, as usual, they are using all kinds of ruses and technicalities to justify their pig-headed adamance. It is only Komorwski's stubbornness that's the problem. As outgoing president he could easily approve the expansion but prefers to brown-nose the party in anticipation of such cushy post after he vacates Belweder. The Platfus govt binned millions of citrizens' signatures calling for a referendum in the past and now wants to limit the number of questions. Poland's future PM Beata Szydło correctly referred to Komorowski's "but i arogancja" (obnoxious arrogance". Let's see how he treats her and Piotr Duda's (Solidarność) official request to expand the September referendum.

Please check for spelling; next time misspelled posts may be removed.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,18285421,Riposta_prezydenta_Komorowskiego_pelna_buty_i_arogancji_.html

[Moved from]: Opposition wants continued stress, not agreement

Poland's hypocritical parliamentary opposition (PO, Petru, PSL) have rejected PM Szydłos proposed TK compromise. She offered them a majority on the TK -- 7 for the ruling party and 8 for the opposition. That was a far fairer deal than PO's 14 appointees to 1 for the entire opposition. The opposition have once again clearly demonstrated they are not concerned about the nation's wellbeing but want to prolong the controversy and anatgonism as long as possible for their own selfish ends.

Amazingly (?) none of the people I mingle with care about that. I am sure most Poles have other priorities...... The other day when they had demos, I was in a shopping mall (don't remember which one but never mind) and it was ... full, which means that people preferred shopping or looking around, drinking coffee....

Indeed. This is a power struggle within the political class which all too oftne live a life of their own. Ordinary Poles are sick of the TK and KOD and "mad Gipsy" Petru in particular. There's a joke going round: I switch on the telly -- Petru, I tune into the radio news -- Petru. I open a newspaper -- again Petru. It's got to where I'm afraid to open the fridge!

Which would be unconstitutional. There's no possibility to offer such an arrangement as it wouldn't be legal.


Sigh. You keep repeating this, yet it's simply not true.


If PiS genuinely cared about the nation's wellbeing, they would stop the whole stupid story and simply do what they're supposed to do in accordance with the law. Is it really so difficult for Duda to swear in the three legally appointed judges in accordance with the Constitution and the rulings of the TK?

Still, as long as Duda refuses to follow the law, Poland will continue to be an international laughing stock.

So in your view 14 - 1 is a fair breakdown? But all in all -- the legal niceties and technicalities notwiothstadning -- the average Pole is sick of KOD and the whole debate and just wants to get on with his life. Don't the political class see this? I guess not because they live in their own little world of petty poliics and one-upmanship.

Are you ever going to tire of telling that lie?


Shouldn't you be claiming that he's a Jew, given that he's a bit financially successful?


There is no 14-1 split. The current split is as follows:
1 judge (Mirosław Granat) chosen by the Fifth Term Sejm (which was not a full term Sejm);
8 judges (Andrzej Rzepliński, Stanisław Biernat, Sławomira Wronkowska-Jaśkiewicz, Stanisław Rymar, Piotr Tuleja, Marek Zubik, Małgorzata Pyziak-Szafnicka, Andrzej Wróbel) chosen by the Sixth Term Sejm, a Sejm in which PO was a minority party;

4 judges (Leon Kieres, plus the three correctly appointed by the Sejm but which Duda is illegally refusing to swear in) chosen by the Seventh Term Sejm, a Sejm in which PO was a minority party;

2 judges (I'm not sure which two of the five 'judges' Duda has sworn in are legally appointed and which are not legally appointed and are the result of yet further illegal action by Duda) chosen by the Eighth Term Sejm, a Sejm in which PIS is the majority party.

Is it fair? Well, given that judges are elected for nine-year terms, when a party loses two election on the trot, it must expect to face a constitutional court comprised of judges chosen by a Sejm where it was not part of the governing coalition. However, the only party which has chosen any judges at all is PIS itself.

PO is best part for minorities in poland!

all muslims and blacks should vote for them. PiS is racist!

Merged: PO scam involvign Israeli lawyer

PO Chief in Piaseczno near Warsaw Łukasz K. has paid a 200,000 zł fine in connection with a corruption scam. In exchange for a bribe he agreed to use his contacts to allow Moshe T. to build a housing estate on city land. The CBA had detained Łukasz K. in one of Warsaw's hotels. The Israeli was ordered to pay 20,000 zł.

Yet another contribution to the long list of Platformer scams and irregularities!

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/byly-polityk-po-przylapany-na-wreczaniu-lapowki-zaplaci-200-tys-zl/4012mv

Polonius. According to the article you linked us to guy was caught taking a bribe of 150. 000 PLN and got fined 200.000 PLN.