Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland?

@Lyzko
So now you are racist against Jews? Thats been done before and not successfully. You couldnt make a strong argument for blacks or a ham sandwich. Contantly reaching for staws in an argument.

@mafketis
Accurate portrayal.

It's in the constitution. It can only be changed by amendment (and the US does not have the discipline needed for an amendment at present)


As a child of the great compression (a time of relative low inequality and low immigration) I sort of agree except that economic inequality doesn't correlate with crime despite many sociologists best efforts to create a connection.

But the Kirk case seems tied to mental illness (he was a furry GAMP it bears repeating).

Gun violence in the US is less a problem and more a symptom of a problem - too many crazy people but too many political interests are too invested in maintaining or increasing levels of crazy.... so... batten down the hatches.

Accurate.

Mental health programs are weak in the US. The public outcry from locking people up who needed to be off the streets took place in the 70's and 80's. Mental hospitals were closed and those diagnosed people set lose on the streets. Now fewer States have laws on the books that allow for forced treatment. I have seen the way people with disorders going untreated can become problems very quickly. While the trans issue is obviously a mental disease, only a small number of those will act out this way and kill someone, but that small group within that small trans group actually becomes a large percentage when you look at it as a whole.

3 shootings at the weekend

None of them transsexuals - all alpha male gun nuts, 2 of them ex military.

Guns are the reason for the high gun deaths

So until it's amended to be fit for purpose, you'll be cursed with very high crime figures. Any talk about crime reduction in this context is just words.

Of course high levels of inequality combined and lack of opportunity together with a positive view of the "go-getter" mentality also contribute to high levels of crime


The word "gamp" is new to me and can stay new, however being a "furry" doesn't make someone a gun killer. Most of those do fit a profile: Middle Ages, underachiever, very right wing, ex low-rank military. Basically like rgat guy who killed the Mormons the other day.


This seems sadly true. Even in countries with universal healthcare it's a difficult task to balance individual liberty and public safety. A profit motive must necessarily complicated it and of course politicians on the rightwing (plus over there, elected prosecutors and judges) often find it electorally useful to keep people in fea.

The great majority of gun violence is related to drug gangs and suicide.... levels of interpersonal violence are extremely low otherwise..... but druggies want their drugs and the lives of gang members are their blood sacrifice to the gods of high.


Sorry to be the bearer of boutique sexualities.... the furry gamp (and reddit kid) labels are, however, evidence against the idea that the killer was motivated by maga ideas (despite his family background). Interestingly, apparently some conservative gay guys on twitter immediately said the killer was gay as soon as his pictures were released...


IINM I think there were personal issues there (though the disgraceful way that the US treats veterans and/or any ex-military playes a part as well).

@mafketis
Both military shooters had mental problems. Not treated and these things happen. Reports are that the church shooter was confronted by a mormon less than a week earlier and the shooter had a problem with mormons.

Guns cant pull the trigger on themselves. People, mostly those with illegal guns, or mental problems pull the triggers. My guns sit in cases and have never fired themselves. The illegal guns are really 99% of the problem.

@PolAmKrakow,

Even Jews complain constantly about infighting within the religion,
lack of solidarity as compared with amongst African-Americans etc.

American Jews seem to be "connected" as concerns Holocaust survivors
and the ultra-Orthodox communities (from which mega financial
contributions are expected!!!), that is, as regards key or select themes.
As concerns the average Jew, those who slip through the so-called "donut hole",
those among the lower-middle class, those who aren't extremely wealthy etc.,
the Jewish community all but abandons this group, and I'm not even discussing the actions by
the Brooklyn or Monsey slumlords.

Just to be clear, had George Floyd been Jewish, the only movement behind him would have
been a bowel movement, again, he made his bed, now he simply has to lie in it and accept his
"loser" status.

Mine must have been made at the same place. Didn't fire once without my consent.

American Jews are the enemy within.

They voted 80-20 for the biggest moron ever ... Kamala...a third-grade level stainless party aparatchik...

To their credit, Jews did it with full premeditation to make manipulating the US government easier.

No gun, no problems. 😊

Exactly!

If folks our there weren't packin' heat,
no guns would go off:-)

@Lyzko
If people didnt have illegal guns there would be no problem. Guns firing on their own with no human interaction is an imposibility.

It's not so much that druggies want their drugs, it's that lots of people would like to make the huge profits can be made by selling druggies illegal drugs and those who are currently making that money need to protect their profits from those who would like to (both figuratively and literally) cut them out.


Yes, but when those things happen to those who have access to guns the effects are usually far worse than when they happen to those who only have access to knives.

They can only do that because druggies want their drugs. People who enjoy illegal recreational substances create the market. I'm not letting them off....

They need to know how many people died so they could get high.

The operative word here, PolAmKrakow is "responsible"!
If anything is used irresponsibly, eventually it'll lead to a bad end.

@mafketis

Is it their fault that the illegality of the drug causes the criminal market and the issues that arise from it, however?

Alcohol causes countless deaths, from health-related to drink driving, and contributing to domestic violence (Darek has too many Rompers, Danuta nags him the millionth time and he snaps...), etc. Should you and I feel guilty about that when we enjoy a beer or a scotch?

Marijuana and cocaine are pretty harmless in themselves - certainly not more dangerous than alcohol. Should the fact that they have illegal industries built up around them mean that we demonise the people who enjoy these drugs, and ignore those who cause massive harm to our societies due to their abuse of legal 'drugs'?

Incidentally, Poland seems to have a far bigger problem with abuse of the legal drug alcohol than I have ever seen elsewhere in Europe in terms of problems with illegal drugs. Maybe the USA is different, but I don't know any western European country where you will very commonly see 'junkies' passed out on bus stops and benches and pavements before midday, begging all the time for money and 'fajka', stinking up the place and alarming young children and the elderly with their zombie-like behaviour. Poland's alcohol culture is horrific - like the way heroin addicts are portrayed in Hollywood movies. Wretched single-minded 'fiends' 'getting high' on the street, staggering around and collapsing in public places.

Yes.


So why do we want to add to that number?


No they're not. Marijuana is not the mild relaxant it used to be in hippy days. Super potent strains created over the decades track with psychotic and violent behavior (see Berenson, A. for details).

The problem with cocaine is that's its an open-ended addiciton... the more cocaine a person does the more they want to do, there's no off switch.

And... legalizing narcotics just incentivizes criminals to come up with ever more potent concoctions.... (see fentanyl zombies).


You are several decades out of date. At the extremes it's a problem but nowhere near as large as it used to be. Alcohol and tobacco are enough, taking a softer stand toward harder drugs just leads to an escalation in addiction and ever increasing costs in making and distributing narcotics.

Think of the trail of broken and dead bodies that made your 'recreational' cocaine possible.

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I don't understand the guilt tripping about the trail of dead bodies - the cocaine business involves a lot of death because it is illegal, even though widely use. Exactly like alcohol in prohibition America.

Because you sweep them under the carpet, it doesn't mean they do not exist. I knew you were a delusional commie. Which fallen country did you come from? English is not your first language.

People who make recreational substances illegal create the market. Just legalise those substances, tax them heavily and use the money for treatment of addicts.


Just to confirm, you yourself never touch alcohol, right? Or tobacco. Or coffee. Or tea. Or any other substances that changes your mental state. Right?


Now you're just talking utter bollocks.


More utter bollocks. People take fentanyl because it's cheaper than smack. And it's cheaper because it's easier to smuggle.

I agree...

No guns, no problems...

No knives, no problems...

No baseball bats, no problems...

No fists, no problems...

No migrants, no problems...

No Democrats, no problems...

No fvcking around, no problems...

Did I miss anything?


...then imposed the death penalty for killing somebody when driving while intoxicated.

...San Franciso - the city on its death bed because it legalized everything...drugs, sleeping and defacating on the sidewalks, harassing people, looting,...

SF used to be the crown jewel of America...Where are the NAZIs or Italian gangs? They would take care of this crap in 24 hours...Take a walk ...and see boarded up store...all dead...

google.com/maps/place/Market+St,+San+Francisco,+CA/@37.7746846,-122.4199895,3a,75y,229.75h,82.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sk3ptgKVMu3ozwOjXSGjbJQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.548691761994988%26panoid%3Dk3ptgKVMu3ozwOjXSGjbJQ%26yaw%3D229.7535528173915!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x808f7e0bd7ee725b:0x69c74d45251377c!8m2!3d37.7734015!4d-122.4213719!16zL20vMDd0NjRu?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkzMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

That's what "tolerance" looks like...

Now intolerance with a fist:

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So, according to a medical expert also known as Golden Moron, illegal cocaine kills, but legal cocaine does not.

Only a fool claims that tea or coffee belongs in the same category as hard drugs, or that they are recreational substances instead of proper poisons.

Execute sellers. Problem solved.

If the seller is a child, execute the parents or lock him up for life. The news will spread quickly that "I am just a sweet little boy" does not work anymore.

Did I mention that I love the Chinese justice system? 2 years max and you are just body parts for sale...

Of course legal cocaine would be safer than an unregulated supply

San Francisco of course has a large and prosperous North Nigerian community. I am surprised they are not moving back to North Lagos en masse to enjoy the clean metro (which in my experience has quite powerful body odours in summer and smells of cabbage in winter)

The market is created by people who find reality intolerable and seek escape through mood altering substances.


I'm addicted to caffeine (like lots of people) and enjoy an occasional drink or three (and have tried a few other lower end substances... years ago, mostly they did nothing for me).

The desire for altered experience is a basic human drive, but left to its own tends to be okay with occasional mild stimulants or relaxants.

Commercialized, it results in the narco wars in Northern Mexico and lots of people getting killed.

Anything you commercialize will grow and grow and become more extreme.


Commercialization...

@mafketis
Nope, present day. In almost every Polish city I've been to during the last five years or so (Lublin and quaint little Torun being among the exceptions) I've witnessed guys passed out drunk in public places in broad daylight. I don't even have to look hard to find them - it's a staggeringly, ludicrously normal sight here. The other day, I was in Warsaw's Praga, on a main street (next to the galeria) on a Saturday afternoon and witnessed two men passed out on a bus stop bench, sleeping there surrounded by alcohol bottles. Nobody was shocked, because why would they be? This is Poland.

@mafketis

You have bought into Hollywood's romanticised and simplified notion of every illegal drug user being an addict who uses their substance of choice to escape a horrible reality. That happens, and 'self-medication', but in reality most people who use coke, MDMA, magic mushrooms, and a host of other illegal drugs do so because they feel good, they loosen them up on a night out, and so on - the exact same reason people who aren't abject alcohol junkies drink.

@Novichok

Really? SF is historically the US's gay and counterculture capital. I'm surprised you don't loathe the place, along with 'Jew York', considering your beliefs.