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How would Poland change for the better (or worse) under a PiS government?


milky 13 | 1,657    
8 Mar 2016  #211
youtube.com/watch?v=eCxi5VOYKOY
History repeating itself
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,467    
8 Mar 2016  #212
large percentage of Polish people

I hate no-one. To condemn criminal or sifnul activity is not tantamount to hating. Remember the Catholic principle: hate the sin, love the sinner.
Fortunately, the RT establishment is not a large percentage of society but a small, tight-knit hand-washes-hand clique of former government and security people, media and entertainment types as well as foreign-interest lobbyists who have cashed in on and monopolised the benefits of the transformation for the past 26 years. The time has come to spread the benefits around. Why support a minority that has already undeservedly enjoyed too much of everything at the expense of the Polish nation?.
OP Dougpol1 27 | 2,570    
8 Mar 2016  #213
The time has come to spread the benefits around.

At last!

Finally you come out with the truth of what this is all about.

So called equality.

Those who got on by following a career path/grafting/innovating/grasping the main chance (who happen to vote for a market economy, because it is a the only logical choice in a poor country) are to be envied.

So let's sack those of them that we can, and instill our own "specialists" - who like the communist apparatchiki before them, know bugger all about foresty/equines/industry etc etc etc etc.....

Because - as we all suspected - "The time has come to spread the benefits around."

Life doesn't work like that Polonius, and any patriot knows who will pay for that socialist clueless policy, and it ain't going to be me - but your country.
mafketis 17 | 6,755    
8 Mar 2016  #214
small, tight-knit hand-washes-hand clique

I suppose one form of belief in the supernatural (catholicism) makes it easier to believe other things for which there is no real world empirical evidence....

The time has come to spread the benefits around.

And a small group of politicians practicing cronyism and appointing their unqualified buddies to important poistions is just the group to do it! (talk about believing impossible things before breakfast)
pweeg    
8 Mar 2016  #215
PiS is a reincarnation of the Communist Party with real religion added.

Basically a copy of Putin-ism.
mafketis 17 | 6,755    
8 Mar 2016  #216
Basically a copy of Putin-ism.

The relationship between the Russian orthodox church and Putin is no different than their relationship with the communists. The church is a big supporter of the rehabilitation of Stalin....

But point taken. The leadership of PiS was formed by the PRL and so they're sub-consciously trying to recreate it. It was a world that might not have always been comfortable but it was far more familiar to them than the reality of younger people in Poland now.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,306    
8 Mar 2016  #217
An hour ago, I bought bananas at ... 7.49zl/kilo

Bananas are a imported luxury,

You can buy very good quality bananas in Biedronka stores at slightly less than 5,00 zloty per kg.

if I'm bashed, it's because I'm important so I should be greateful ;)

No, you are not important. You are funny. And that's why you attract people's attention on this forum (or anywhere else, I should think).

The leadership of PiS was formed by the PRL and so they're sub-consciously trying to recreate it.

Never ever has anyone written such utter bollocks so far on the PF.
Ironside 47 | 9,492    
8 Mar 2016  #218
PiS is a reincarnation of the Communist Party with real religion added.

Remind us whose sock-puppet are you?

The leadership of PiS was formed by the PRL and so they're sub-consciously trying to recreate it.

Hmm.. that is an utter tripe. Please go back to fleas counting or whatnot.

By the way were is your empirical evidence? Not for numbers of fleas of course but for your pathetic attempt at expressing an opinion about something you clearly have no idea about.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,634    
8 Mar 2016  #219
But point taken. The leadership of PiS was formed by the PRL and so they're sub-consciously trying to recreate it.

Formed by the PRL and some of them took part in shaping a considerable part of it.
Ironside 47 | 9,492    
8 Mar 2016  #220
That is meaningless gossip that in no way pertain to the issues debated.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,467    
9 Mar 2016  #221
took part in shaping a considerable

But it was KOR, SLD, ROAD, UD, UW and PO that became a shelter for ex-PZPR types. There were none in Porozumienie Centrum and very few in PiS. So how do you explain that so few ex-commies sought a safe haven in PiS? And if you're so obsessed by ex-PZPR types why do you fail to mention the above-mentioned commie-riddled groupings?
pweeg3    
10 Mar 2016  #222
Remind us whose sock-puppet are you?

Nobody's, how could you forget?
singingfalls 3 | 50    
10 Mar 2016  #223
Some years back my wife and I sponsored two women from Eastern Europe who immigrated to the United States as politically oppressed people. Others in our area also sponsored people from this group. The adjustment they had to make between the culture of Communism in which they were born and raised and the culture of the United States was very very difficult. The women that stayed with us finally caught on and were very successful. Others of the group had a march harder time for some reason. I pity nations like Poland, who, though they had the courage and insight to come out from under an oppressive regime are still struggling to find their way. They brutalize one another in the effort to derive security in an insecure world. The unfortunate thing is that Western culture has its own very serious pitfalls. Be careful that you don't jump from the frying pan into the fire. I wish you all luck.

When it comes down to it, the entire matter focuses on the conscience of each individual. There are sour greedy apples in each society. Mistakes are made in each society. Only your spiritual life can guide you passed the dangers. Love God with all of your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Simple to say. Hard to do. If the wicked remain in their wicked way they should be punished but if the wicked have turned from their wickedness and are doing good, why are you hindering them?
mafketis 17 | 6,755    
5 Apr 2016  #224
So, the good changes of PiS have been:

- to alienate younger voters by making them feel fooled and lied to (by hiding the toxic elders during the campaign and then bringing them out of their support pods the second the election was over

- to alienate the sane by their morbid need wallow in Smolenks forever (because they need Poland to be endlessly victimized by foreign powers)

- to alienate women by telling them their lives are worth less than rapists

Who are they going to alienate next?
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #225
Merged: PiS vow to end capitalistm in Poland? A return to the past?

This is actually quite chilling news for those of us who've experienced the transformation of Poland over the past couple of decades. It seems the current administration (already noted for their outspoken attacks on the democratic process and the people of Poland) prefer a sort of National Socialism to the system that is working so well now:

Poland's government has promised to bury the outward looking market economy that characterises its post-communist transformation, outlining a more nationalist approach as part of its controversial reform agenda.
In a strong critique of the free market model that has made Poland the Europe's sixth-largest economy, the country's deputy prime minister said it was no longer benefiting and would pursue a more paternalistic approach.

From the Financial Times: ft.com/cms/s/0/6a702384-2e49-11e6-bf8d-26294ad519fc.html#axzz4BCBoFoci
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
10 Jun 2016  #226
PiS vow to end capitalistm in Poland?

yes Jon - your next job will be in PGR hahahah - and well you know PiS will be the only legal party - wait it already is
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #227
your next job will be in PGR

I doubt that, since farming just ain't for me.

and well you know PiS will be the only legal party - wait it already is

As you know, this is actually something they would like, and their behaviour towards legally constituted political parties as shown in the article as well as their contempt for the constitution and the Third Republic all point that way.

But sooner or later (probably sooner since they won't get a second term without scrapping democracy entirely) they will be gone.
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
10 Jun 2016  #228
your next job will be in PGR

I doubt that, since farming just ain't for me.

sorry pal, tough regime will relegate their opponents to menial jobs - this is inevitable - prepare yourself to say hello to the cows
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #229
prepare yourself to say hello to the cows

Back to basics and a bit of honest labour might indeed do you some good, fresh air and all that, however in my case, like thousands of other Polish citizens over the years, I wouldn't stick around to watch the mess. Having 3 passports does help us wicked cosmopolitan elites.

Seriously, the contents of that article are truly disturbing and can only be very bad for Poland.
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
10 Jun 2016  #230
like thousands of other Polish citizens over the years, I wouldn't stick around to watch the mess.

farewell my friend, seems like you don't fit in here anyway
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #231
In that case, your 'seem' is wrong - even very, however yes, there are plenty of people making contingencies should the appalling PiS regime continue their path towards totalitarianism and Poland suddenly becomes at least as repressive as it was a few decades ago.

The article - the quote is veryworth repeating, should set off a lot of warning bells:

Poland's government has promised to bury [...]

From the Financial Times
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
10 Jun 2016  #232
In that case, your 'seem' is wrong - even very, however yes, there are plenty of people making contingencies should the appalling PiS regime continue their path towards totalitarianism and Poland suddenly becomes at least as repressive as it was a few decades ago.

I think Poland would be better off without those hysterical bunch
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #233
without those hysterical bunch

What makes you think those Poles busy securing second passports etc are a 'hysterical bunch'?

After all, PiS have just promised to 'bury' the market economy and that is on top of all the other worrying things they're up to.
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
10 Jun 2016  #234
After all, PiS have just promised to 'bury' the market economy and that is on top of all the other worrying things they're up to.

if you don't like PiS just leave - and take all those Polish PiS haters with you
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #235
if you don't like PiS just leave

Why? They'll be gone after their term of office. I didn't much care for the last lot (better though they were) but didn't leave.

and take all those Polish PiS haters with you

Now that really would cause a European refugee crisis! Millions would be looking for a new home!

Worth repeating, PiS have just promised to 'bury' the market economy and that is on top of all the other worrying things they're up to.
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
10 Jun 2016  #236
Worth repeating, PiS have just promised to 'bury' the market economy and that is on top of all the other worrying things they're up to.

sure PiS will now regulate the prices of everything just like in PRL - you don't like it leave

all the other worrying things they're up to.

btw you must intimately know Jarosław Kaczyński to know what he is up to, don't you?
jon357 64 | 14,382    
10 Jun 2016  #237
you don't like it leave

As people are doing now - some of us however are made of sterner stuff.

btw you must intimately know Jarosław Kaczyński to know what he is up to, don't you?

Nope, I turned him down due to him being too ugly, too old and not a very nice person. But that was well over a decade ago.

And yes, Poland is changing fast and not for the better. the attacks on democracy and the latest rubbish about reverting from capitalism to what is in every sense a National Socialist economic and social model are but a sign of the things that so many people find distasteful.
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
11 Jun 2016  #238
Its sad that Communism corrupts the mind of people so much that they don't undertand its the reason for their poverty - and so they blame Capitalism.

PiS seem keen on the return of communism, they have employed a commie as the head of the central bank

thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/256590,Polish-MPs-vote-for-Adam-Glapinski-as-new-central-bank-chief
gumishu 11 | 4,897    
11 Jun 2016  #239
PiS seem keen on the return of communism, they have employed a commie as the head of the central bank

what do you mean by commie - if you mean that he was a member of PZPR then Marek Belka was also a member of PZPR
peterweg 36 | 2,315    
11 Jun 2016  #240
Socialist/Communist economic beliefs don't require the PZPR and it is what will impoverish Poland once again.

If you want to see where anti-capitlistic, communist economics end, have a read about Venezuela

too much quote.

latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/06/10/venezuela-trying-to-solve-food-shortages-by-having-party-loyalists-control/

Populist, socialist policies (subsidies/free food/government dictates prices) like those admired by PiS can end up like this (another example is Argentina).. It works for a while, to buy votes, but in the medium term its always a disaster.


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