What will Britain's Labor Coup mean for Poland?

Your argument is flawed, it was the lowest turn out since early 2000. People working abroad can vote by post, if they are sick they can get someone (officially), to place their vote. There is no way someone would forget about the election, it was in the media 24 hours a day for 6 weeks.


These poor souls were just foot soldiers for Starmer, put an X to the Labour candidate box, and you get Starmer and his crew in number 10.


The two main UK political parties were both singing from the same hymn sheet, no doubt there was some higher authority pulling their strings. let's remember to visit this thread in 4 or 5 years time, to see if there are any changes.

I'm away longer than expected in a hot place so I appointed a proxy. To do a postal vote, you need to sign the paper and they have your signature scanned when you request one.


You make him sound like a sort of charismatic dictator or a wannabe like farage her than what he is, a boring lawyer.

Remember, the Labour Party isn't like the Tories or the LibDem or a minor party. It's a mass member organisation, made up of hundreds of tnousands of members, mostly older people in the North, Scotland/Wales and the bigger midlands towns with a complex party structure involving affiliated trade unions. It doesn't matter that much who the leader is; providing they're not offputting to provincial voters like the last one who was voted in on a knife edge due to entryism in London and then voted out again.

Sir Keir doesn't have a cult of personality, most people couldn't name his wife and know nothing about his kids and he doesn't crave personal attention. He is not a Boris or a Nigel, or even a Tony.


Why do you think that given that their policies are so radically different?


Who? That just sounds like paranoia. The world is not so well organised.

You have just nailed Keir Starmer...... a boring lawyer.... and he is now our PM!


Correct.


I give it 2.5 years before people that voted Labour realise what a huge mistake they have made...... prove me wrong Labour!

From some of the more right-leaning commentary here is the States the verdict is that it wasn't so much Labour winning as it was the Cons losing. Some of the stuff being thrown around is that this Sunak guy was a zero-he stood for nothing.

Same verdict over there?

I'll take boring over charismatic any time.


13 years last time and 1964 to 1979 (with a short break) the time before.


Yes and no. The "northern wall" is almost enough to carry any election and last time some of the seats there went for the first time in history to the Tories who promised all sorts of "levelling up " in desperately poor towns that had generated most of the country's wealth then been abandoned. Only for Sunak to be caught on tape in one of the richest towns in the world saying to local activists that he'd been secretly diverting funds from deprived areas to "places like this".

Labour basically control the north of England plus the urban parts of the midlands and Wales. It's a very strong power base and the Regional Mayors there are hugely popular.

They are spot on. This is also the consensus here, 40% didn't vote because they knew the Tories had lost as soon as the election was announced.

They almost never do.

I wouldn't say that. Both parties realise the migrant situation is a problem that's not going to be easily solved.


Never a truer statement was made. The word I most associate with the Tories is 'austerity'.


The biggest mistake I could have made was to vote to keep the lying incompetent Tories in power for another 4 years. They ran the country into the ground. A Conservative vote is a vote for the rich.

Brexit all over again.... people who don't want a solution will never find a solution.

Dont' pay attention to the rhetoric pay attention to actions.

What actions by either problem would indicate that they think the migrant situation is a problem?

Apparently, Starmer will continue to support the current Brexit! What that'll
mean for Labor's relations with Poland remains to be seen.

Nothing. Brevity is done and Poland couldn't give a toss.

Sir Keir? Yes. The government have to deal with many things and that is not chief among them.

It doesn't particularly affect Poland as Lenka says. Trade and general relations with friendly countries are important however they are settled at the moment.


Labour.

At the moment, indeed.

Poles know from direct experience how untrustworthy the British truly are when it comes to relations of any kind.

How would you know?

What's interesting is that the politician in the photo is the only one who was in the slightest bit concerned about Poland's fate: the president and people of your country were those who betrayed Poland.

Remember, relations between the two nations (neither of which you've ever lived in or ever will) are very good.

Thanks, jon. I guess I prefer my American spelling:-)

@Lenka, did you mean "Brexit"??

Yes. Auto correct on my phone.

It was more than that, nearer 50%.

Which just goes to show how disillusioned the British electorate are with British politics!

And here is where I think you have, perhaps inadvertently,hit the nail on the head!

A Labour vote is also a vote for the rich.

This is the major problem with British politics..... very few of these people are in politics to help Britain.
Most are in it to enrich themselves, their families, their friends and their business contacts......it's all just pigs in the trough......a great long gravy train.......

I presume you mean parties not problems.

I guess your thoughts are that both parties are not really committed to solving the problem or they already would have done something about it.

The Tories passed the Illegal Migration Act last year. This prevents migrants arriving in small boats from being able to claim asylum or protection. It also means that migrants including children can be indefinitely detained and then returned to their own country or a safe third country. I don't think the act has been that successful simply because there is already a huge backlog of asylum seekers to process. It's just adding to the problem.

Then the Rwanda bill was finally passed which was, in my opinion, a ludicrous solution.

Farage wants to return them to France and the new Labour government wants to tackle the people smugglers.

The problem that i can see is that once they've arrived in a boat International Law prevents them being returned to their country of origin. Not sure how this works considering the Illegal Migration Act was passed into law. Then there is the International Law of the Sea which applies if, for example, the UK tries to return migrants to France.

Of course we could always try Novi's suggestion. He would just shoot them in the boats.

The sad thing is that although many are probably economic migrants, there are people genuinely fleeing from war and/or persecution.


To an extent, you're right, but I would rather take my chance with Labour. I have never and will never vote for the Conservatives.

I would say that it is is much more than to an extent.Politicians are losing our trust.

So they passed a law they knew they couldn't enforce..... enough said.

The point is that no one has any idea who they really are or why they're trying to get to the UK.... letting in a bunch of unvetted people is not a good idea (see Germany 2015 to present; current US) and it is local citizens who will pay the price. There are almost daily incidents in Germany of Merkeljugend violently assaulting native Germans (and many cases of illegal aliens in the US harming US citizens)

How does anyone think this is rational or sustainable?

I must be blind and deaf because I don't see anything like that. 🤔

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Stop spamming threads with your repetitive repertoire. What's wrong with Americans on this site going on and on obsessing about issues as if they were crazy?
We have Novie trolling for Russia and obsessing about homosexuals, we have Jimmy with his everlasting grudge.
We have maf with his discovery of Russia as if that was something new. Wow!
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Well, you are one of those fellows who needs to be hit on the head with a hammer to wake up to reality.
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Liberal elites are incapable of solving problems so they create an environment with their crazy policies for a system of authoritarian oligarchy with citizens turned into plebs so they and their progeny can retain their seats of power and wealth. It is a process that is going on across all Western countries. Brexit or not the liberal democracy in Britain, is the same be it Tories or labour. The only force that represents the interest of the common British citizens is the Reform Party. So far.

Wow, indeed.

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Typical. I don't like what you say about me so I will hide behind old free speech convenient excuse. at the same time implying - you are a mean son of a gun out there trying to support it and introduce censorship. Playing a victim much>?
Dude relax, you can say what you want - and so can I/.
I'm only wondering what is wrong with you that you obsess about those few things in historical threads and everywhere. I guess trigger words for you are Poland and English in one sentence...
By the way, I don't understand the attitude of some Americans toward the First Amendment. I mean originally it was to safeguard against a tyrannical government that allowed a citizen to express any criticism or opinion about government and people in power. That includes freedom of expression in all walks of life.
However there is common sense, good manners, and context that should be a guide on what it is appropriate to express your thoughts freely and when it is not, some thoughts are better left unspoken. Seems to me that many Americans use the First Amendment as a cause to act like jerks and then play victims/
I think that should have some concerns, if you flip somebody off and that somebody would whoop your ass you can't sue them for hospital bills or an assault. You take it as a consequence of your actions, in that manner you can freely express your true self to the word.
However, if you insult someone and it is not a politician or a person in power and then run crying like a baby and asking the police for protection you are a moron, not a victim.
The First Amendment is not a magic wand that allows you to do what you want without repercussions.

Imagine on Sunday afternoon you sit on your porch sipping ice lemonade and having a conversation about (insert whatever). Here out of the blue, your neighbor shows up, he is welcome here but then he proceeds to interject into conversations with a completely different story nobody wants to talk about right now, and he rudely rambles on about it agitated. It has nothing to do with the rest ammened but there are a lot of issues that ~~~~~ I'm not going unpack here. In short, he is being an inconsiderate jerk maybe he needs to see a doctor to check his mental health. Simple.

funny memes aside flipping somebody off is not the first amendment right because if it is then whooping somebody's ass is a freedom of expression.
Also, I have only expressed my opinion that posting off-topic in all threads with one subject that interests you is not considerate. I have never said you are not allowed to do it but you just like all free speech jerks hide behind the First Amendment and play a victim. Sad.

And it's obvious that your opinion is that you should be free to express yours but others shouldn't express theirs unless it agrees with yours.

Like any petty two-faced online bully you are frustrated that you can't control other people.

Good.




You've been following other members around on this forum for years with unprovoked and trite personal attacks regardless of the topic. You've never posted anything relevant, interesting or original.

In this thread alone you decided to go after particular members you dislike for no other reason than to complain about not only what they post on PF but how they post it.

Why don't you stop being such a pathetic hypocrite and lead by example? Start self-censoring today and ask for your account to be deactivated. Here is the address to write to: info@PolishForums.com

Seriously, do the right thing and leave. Then you'll never be annoyed again about other people's free speech activity on here.