Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 26

... because I have a personal grief with a country that no longer exists and can't stop projecting my personal feelings onto a country that was never hostile to the UK and has no intentions to ever be.

But since I am a stubborn and vindictive azzhole, I will continue posting AI lies to stick it to you because you are Russian.

On the other hand, I would never do it to a German poster for the reasons I can't explain...

See you around, Bobko,

Sincerely,

Milo

Behind the Ukranian golden toilet: There's only one way to fix the disease of this state
Kiev's corruption machine will roll on - with or without Zelensky

Please...spread the disease...Ukrainian corruption is good for Russia as it saves Russian lives...if the alternative to the "golden toilet" are artilley shells and drones...

If that is not clear yet...

A US dollar that bought two bullets to kill two Russians - bad

A US dollar that was stolen and deposited in a Swiss bank - good

I am in awe of myself for being able to turn theft into something positive.

When the US and the USSR used to be friends...

This is what happens when you go to Russia without a visa...



We should learn from them...

If Trumps real estate deal is implemented, Ukraine's armed forces will be cut in half. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of PTSD vets and azovites will stream into visa free(unidentified) into Poland, birthing powerful mafias with oligarch funding, also take vengeance on the poles sleeping with their wives. It will be worse than the crime and corruption in the early 90s as there will be a lot more weapons, more extreme violence and all infused with a far right nationalist ideology.

You can say goodbye to Poland as it is.
Maybe Torq is right about supporting the war to go on endlessly.

No real evidence there is such a "deal".... if anything it seems like a russian effort to create reality by talking about it (primitive mindset)


You'd love that, wouldn't you, Ivan?

I'm visiting this summer just to experience Poland before the deluge.

you might be disappointed.... it's a russian disinfo campaign using Steve "I'm an idiot!" Witkoff....

x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1991448624241185253

meanwhile in russia, they've stopped giving death payout for soldiers' sucker families...

x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1991223871328895089

LOL who is more reputable, Trumps best buddy or the perv in kiev?

Who is more reputable at the moment - Washington or Kiev ? Easy answer - Kiev, far more trustworthy, less corrupt and with a clear focus on their aims (surviving and not becoming a province of North Nigeria)

When Witkoff is found with a golden toilet like Zelenskys 'wallet' Mindich then we can talk.

It's time Ukraine listened to their nationalist-intellectual Alexander Motyl who wrote since 2014 that Ukraine should give up Donbass/Crimea to stabilise and elevate the 'core' into Europe. archive.md/9A9sX

Problem is that without security guarantees with teeth (like NATO membership) that won't make russia happy and won't convince them to stop.

The problem at present is that there's no accomplishment in Ukraine that would make russians want to stop.

Many Ukrainians would have loved to dump Donetsk and Luhansk but that wasn't going to satisfy russia's bloodlust.

What teeth are you willing to put into security guarantees to stop russia (cause russia won't stop on its own)

We can talk now - Trump's desk is covered in all kinds of gifted golden gewgaws that even North Nigerian oligarchs would think a bit tacky. Why do you think everyone calls him Golden Cow ? He has run crypto scams worth billions and got a jumbo jet from rich arabs for his birthday.

He thinks Putler can also be bought but underestimates the fact that for the North Nigerians it's not just about money but also about being cruel.

How naive you are to think that Donbass is where Putler's ambition stops

"BREAKING: NEW TRUMP PEACE PLAN FOR RUSSIA-UKRAINE, ASKS ZELENSKY TO EXCHANGE DONBAS FOR END TO WAR" - from X

So Trump would just agree with Putin who wanted the same to end the war. Where is the real plan?

That's no plan at all.

If I didn't know it was Trump's I would think that these are Putin's unconditional surrender demands.

If Ukrainians give up Donbas, then they will also have to give up the defensive lines they built for so long, which would make them defenceless if Russia ever broke the agreement (and there is such possibility, right?). Also, why should Ukraine reduce their army by a half and make herself even more defenceless when no such limitations are to be put on Russia?

Complete and utter nonsense.

Trump wants to just end the war as soon as possible, still hoping for the stupid Nobel prize. The EU should press on the US to stop even discussing this nonsense. IMO, the only way to win is to continue severe sanction on Russia while keeping on fighting. In a couple of years Russia will give up just like they did in 1989.

By basically agreeing to Ukraine's surrender, rewarding Russia for their aggression, and opening the door to further wars in Europe?

Brilliant.

From the US viewpoint, it is a brilliant long term business plan. The US is mostly just an arms dealer. Ukraine's surrender and constant Russian threat would mean the EU paying more and more for supporting NATO / the US industry.

No, stupid Polak....

That jet is the property of the US Government. When Trump's term ends, the title will be transferred to the foundation that will run Trump's presidential library in a manner that is identical to Reagan's 747.


The US is not capable of long-term plans.

If it did, it wouldn't be sitting on a 40-trillion-dollar debt without a fvcking clue how to stop it from reaching 50 and how to start paying it off.

Nonsense - Reagan's plane was used by other presidents for many years after he left office.

Golden Cow's was a personal present from an Islamic state.

Stick to the street drainage of Illinois where you might know what you are talking about

The math is simple - the debt cannot be ever paid off. So they have to sustain the illusion of prosperity somehow. Trump's term is a very clear indication that his handlers (bankers and technocrats) are worried about it, too. Trump's involvement in the UKR-RU war is negative for Ukraine.

On the other hand, Ukraine doesn't have much choice. The only hope for them is when the EU revolts against Trump's proposal and / or wait out Trump's presidency.

Because Russia is the winner, and Ukraine is the loser?

One would think this is obvious.

Also, the proposal states that they will be not allowed to maintain long range strike systems.

Also - all American and European military aid is to be halted permanently.

Russian will be secreted as a second state language.

Return of property to the Russian Orthodox Church, and a stop on its harassment.

No foreign troops in Ukraine - ever.

Diplomatic planes are allowed in Ukraine - this is the most unexpected and jarring point. This has caused a lot of head scratching.

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Does that sound to you like Russia lost?

"Israel isn't in NATO, yet the US uses its massive military budget - freed up by NATO handling Europe's defense - to strongly defend Israel and pursue other operations (Iran threats, Venezuela, Afghanistan, etc.).

Without NATO allies spending on their own defense and tying down fewer US resources in Europe, America would have far less money and bandwidth for Middle East commitments. So the claim that "the US doesn't need NATO" is nonsense."

No, that is not so. You want to steal victory by making a shaky deal that would weaken Ukraine and its ability to defend itself in the future.

What does it mean - "steal victory"? From the jaws of defeat?

In my book - when someone is forced to cut off 20% of their flesh and hand it to you - that's a win for you, and a loss for them?

If Ukraine was getting 20% of Russia, I would of course say - Russia has lost - time to sit on the floor and pour ash on our heads, like Job.

But it is Ukraine that is giving land to Russia...

Were you good at algebra in school?

Well, I'm not asking for a military parade in Kiev but it would be somewhat more obvious if you managed:

a) to defeat the Ukrainian army decisively in the field
b) to capture a couple of large cities... I don't know: Dnipro, Kharkiv, Zaporizhia - something like that (because
hearing about this small sh*thole Pokrovsk for a year and a half was one of the saddest things in the history of wars);
c) to pull off at least one shock-and-awe style action that would impress the world.

As it is, the matter of victory seems rather uncertain.


This sounds like conditions imposed after a decisive shock-and-awe victory. I understand you have to start negotiations from a high C, but this is a bit too much.

When Germany lost the Great War, it had never fought on its own territory and still controlled a large part of France and the Low Countries.

The Germans still collapsed.

Russia is waging an attritional war that favors its inherent strengths, the same way we have waged war for as long as we have been around. If the German army is a scalpel, then the Russian army is a sledgehammer. Blunt, but heavy.

Ukraines army has been purged of blood, and is barely standing on its feet. When they finally crack - the front will move as quickly as 1944-1945.

Already they are deserting faster than they recruit.

We are taking fortresses that stood for three years in three days (Seversk this week).

Ukraine has no strength left to fight - and no money and no amount of weapons or ammunition will fix that. Meanwhile, we got manpower coming out of our ass.

With no mobilization, no kidnapping of people on the streets - we generate 30,000 per month of fresh personnel.

If we did what Ukraine does, we could put an additional 2 million men under arms within 6-12 months.

Population 10,875 - another huge metropolis taken by the conquering 2nd army in the world. Come on - admit it - it IS sad!


... and still overall population lower than Java Island. Людей у нас много slogan is no longer exactly true.

We have enough.

They are the most experienced and hardened fighters in Europe. When experienced Ukrainian veterans augment the force further, from occupied territories - no one in Europe will dare to even fart in our direction.

To replicate this - Europeans need to themselves fight a four year long war, and relearn all those lessons.

Just this year - Russia recruited 55,000 men from newly occupied territories.

If we gain 3-5 million further Ukrainian military age males, we will erase our losses.

No, you don't.

All Slavic countries have atrocious demographics and it will only get worse. Has any empire ever managed to thrive and expand in the conditions of demographic decline?

In Poland we have this cruel saying: ostatnie podrygi konającej ostrygi... and it applies to ourselves as well.