Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25

Good boy.

I mean Lucifer in the literary sense, and Mephistopheles like in Faust.

He's not a normal human being.

Russians are in awe of him, those that love him and also those that hate him. The whole world is obsessed with Putin - for similarly different reasons.

This is a man that can charm Trump, and Assad, and Ramzan Kadyrov - and make them eat out of his hand. We know, that these types of pitbulls/rottweilers won't lick someone's hand, unless they sense the presence of an alpha.

He seems like a spirit that came from the ancient past, to lord over us.

He's permanent - like Lucifer - always fighting the American God.

Did you mean to say a dwarf full of complexes?

I have a "broad" understanding of psychopathy.

For example - I think that a majority of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are psychopaths.

Steve Jobs was certainly a psychopath. So is Mark Zuckerberg.

Psychopaths are not only manipulators or people with a stunted sense of empathy.

Psychopaths are also egotistical and bold "doers" - that trample others underfoot in the pursuit of their aims.

They have a stunted sense of risk, of fear.

They can be impulsive, or not particularly adept at extrapolating the consequences of their actions.

All potentially important qualities - within the right contexts.

I never judge a man by what he says or projects, but only what he does.

Imagine it's Jan 2022. What would you do if you were him?

Assume I came from Mars and I don't read books, so go easy on fictional characters and psych terms. Whataboutism is fine.

I would certainly not invade Ukraine.

If you polled the financial community in Moscow in 2022 in January - probably 90% would say Putin is not gonna invade Ukraine because it is a crazy thing to do.

If you interviewed subject matter specialists in New York, whose job it is to watch Russia - they would also all say in unison - "this is a nothing burger".

Everybody thought he was playing. Bluffing. Bargaining for a better position.

In the event, it turned out Putin really is completely crazy.

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Crazy in the frame of reference of any normal person.

He did something - which was so out of this world - that it simply left us all shocked.

Over time, everyone has gotten on the same page as him, and now we support him - but he really did do something completely unexpected.

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When Putin talks about himself, he often disagrees that he has a "distorted sense of risk".

But that is precisely what was written about Putin in dossier by his former employers (we now have this thanks to archives).

Putin says that he has an adequate sense of danger, but that is clearly not the case from observing his actions. (Source: tass.ru/obschestvo/23848209).

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He has a lowered sense of risk. He's got a combative personality style (as he says, "formed in the streets of St. Petersburg while fighting bullies). He has a feeling that he can ask great things from people, and that they owe him them (interesting also).

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Back to your question - I would probably fold under Biden's and the EU's pressure - and back off.

I would feel it is too much responsibility to take - to plunge Russia into a war against these two great powers.

But Putin has balls, and a completely broken compass in terms of danger.

Maybe what he did was right in the end, maybe it wasn't.

That's why he is the president of Russia - and I am a nobody.

Not hard to do, you are nowhere near as clever as you think you are.


Mate, you are the most intelligent Russian poster on PF.

Bobko didn't said yet what would be answer to heavy shelling on Donetsk and ethnic cleanising in Donbass, to make it Bandera-praying territory

Putin reacted with preventive conventional SMO. Someone may react post-factum by nuclear strike to main decision making centers (no, not the ones in Kiev).

Germans so LOVE him! *sniffles* :)

.....we would worship his statues, if we had some....

At last! Young Russians are finding their balls and at last they are standing up against Putin!

I'm not impressed... if this is true (which I doubt) they're only upset because their treats are more expensive and a few things are more inconvenient. There's still no evidence that any significant number of russians are opposed to invading and trying to take over other countries. And again, no evidence that any significant number of russians care at all that so many of their soldiers are being killed.

You are right, to a degree, that seems to be the Russian mentality, they can ignore the fact that thousands, even hundreds of thousands of their Russian youth are dying in Ukraine but get upset when supermarket prices go up or there are shortages!!!

Ghouls.

...sending a message that you are weak and have no well-defined red line.

Based on this assessment, the US makes Ukraine part of NATO and moves some bad mil shilt ever closer to Russia.

With sanctions and naval choke points under US control, the US demands Crimea back. Now what?

Your move...


I am a better Russian, German, and a Brit. At least on paper...

A question for PF Brits: When and how was Russia a threat to your country?

West must bankroll Ukraine 'for at least three years' - Polish FM
Kiev is right to plan for a long conflict, and the West must keep paying for it, Radoslaw Sikorski has said

Radoslaw Moronski forgot that Western money doesn't create soldiers. Women do. And then it takes 20 years...

I never understood the reverence that you show to this botox-filled lying coward.

Balls? Risk-taking? You're having a laugh. His every behaviour pattern shows a consistent avoidance of risk (especially personal risk, of course, he is quite happy to risk the lives of others).

Let's see...

- overreliance on bodyguards and extreme security measures employed to protect himself,
- political intimidation rather than open debate (plus total repression of domestic dissent),
- avoiding accountability through lies and misinformation,
- reliance on proxies and clandestine operations,
- the repeated avoidance of big military risk - compare the offensives of the Red Army and the current cowardly tactics in Ukraine - no major huge offensive - it all suggests fear-driven strategy (fear of defeat, not fear for soldiers' lives, for he is quite happy to send poorly trained conscripts to the frontline)

... all this clearly demostrates a pattern of self-preservation at the expense of others, a core characteristic of cowardice in leadership.

And - I have to add this - very recently he proved to be not only coward but also an idiot when he accused Poland for the outbreak of WW2 because we didn't succumb to Hitler's demands - so basically he thinks Poland should have accepted Hitler's proposal and join the anti-comintern pact and the invasion of Soviet Union.

How can you love Russia and at the same time support the man who's singlehandedly bringing her down is beyond me. Mind boggles.

You forgot sitting at the end of a massive table because he is a pussy germaphobe

He is first and foremost a Russophobe. Russia will be recovering for decades after his rule comes to an end.

A Ukrainian I know maintains that putin (and the entire russian government) dislikes ethnic russians and wants to replace them with central Asians (drink less, work harder) and that the war is partly a plan to deprive russian women of russian men so they have kids with uzbeks instead....

putin is nothing if not a committed neoliberal and has his own great replacement going on....


You're a nobody because you're afraid to stand up for yourself against the nasty and awful russian government and somehow convince yourself that russians have 'soul' when they're just pathetic victims... because they like being victimized...


No russian cares about that.... they are passive and apathetic and obedient in the face of state violence (unlike, say, Poles and Ukrainians).

Look, the first step to becoming a Russian hero is to kill shitloads of Russians.
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He is the Russian state embodied - with 150 million souls behind him. He sits on a thousand year old throne. For better or worse he is my leader, to whom I owe fealty - because he protects my mother, father, cousins, and nephews and nieces.

Why did Manstein follow Hitler? Why did Paulus, or Keitel? All decent men...

Because to resist Hitler, meant to resist the collective will of the German Volk. Even a Manstein, or a Keitel - does not have the ego to resist the will of a people entire. To resist Hitler means to betray your country, and to cheapen the sacrifice of the rank and file.

Why did some people go down with Napoleon, while others like Murat and Betancourt - did not - instead finding themselves new landing pads?

Putin is commander of this ship - I cannot resist his will. It will be bad for everyone.

Found on page 23 of the perennial Bestseller "Things cowards say".

Stop pretending you don't understand how dissent will weaken Russia - to the benefit of the West.

Better to be a slave than a collaborator.

There is dignity in service.

Because the US, full of open protestors and dissenters no matter which party or who has the presidency or congress.... is soooooo weak.

Try again.

It's precisely the infantile inability to handle trivial disagreements that makes russia a filthy primitive backwater.

You might think being a a slave to the tsar is wonderful but no one looks up to slaves.

You didn't have tp go back to Napoleon.

Why do Americans enlist to go 6,000 miles to kill people who are not a threat? Since we don't have charismatic "leaders", it's always for "freedom and democracy".

Different words, same shlt...

This does make you weak.

Very weak.

Open to exploitation.

The wealthiest and most powerful country in the history of the world - can be controlled through social media.

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What allows Russia to punch way above its weight (I think the people arraigned against us have 25X the GDP), is that Russia acts as a single organism.

This allows us to defeat your trillion dollar budgets and billions of people.

We work as a team, as one family.

If we all begin to pull Russia towards different corners, the barbarians will come and make use of our distractedness.

That's how we get those spontaneous demonstrations...Lately, against ICE...

Social media is pure evil. In less than a minute, a lie can be spread to millions ...something that would take weeks and dissipate into a little bump on the road...

I won't even go into organized terrorism...


He doesn't mind "weak" if it's Russia...

Yes.

A tool America handed to its enemies - to slice up its belly and let all of its guts spill out.

I presume you are talking about chess, ballet or amateur ****.

In any other field of human endeavors the opposite is true. Despite having powerful allies like China and Eritrea your drunk troops have gained only a few meters in the last 2 years

What would die out naturally, social media magnifies.

In the last 10 years, the number of sexually non-conforming girls went from zero to 25% and is rising exponentially...the extreme case of me-too-ism.


Hey, Golden Moron, how many meters did the US gain in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?

And lately in Ukraine, after blowing 300 billion bucks we don't have so we had to steal them from our grandchildren...