Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25

There was no enough intensity to just "kill", but mutations rate will be increased significantly for some time, until radionuclides will be finally deluted to below detection level by ocean. Sediments layer for few years after incident will contain higher level of nuclides, though it will be buried by later sediments quite soon. Maybe we will find new mutated crabs sometime, big and yummy, and name it "Fukushima crab". ;)


Do you ever visited Chernobyl zone? It is far from been lifeless. Looks like some harm from nuclear incident is almost nothing compared to harm from human exploitation of this territory, and ecosystem recovered to state that was hundreds of years ago, while there was no many humans living there.

She has always been very economical with the truth.

Remember when she wrote in her memoirs that nobody in Central Europe protested against Nord Stream? The impudence! I mean, it's one thing to lie but to lie so blatantly is an achievement even for a politician.

But, Torqi, you must remember that when these type of elites say nobody, they mean no one from their country club elite. Y'know the only people who matter. If you ain't in their club, you are nobody. So, she was telling the truth...in her mind-the mind that matters above all minds.

@AntV
You are on point on this, just as treatment of Donald Tusk by the other ministers or presidents. Hate him all you want (I am against hating). Treatment of Tusk however only opens up for others to think that is how you treat a Polish PM or you can get away with it by treating him like that.

Poland is looked down upon and treated as a periphery state similar to Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Hungary by the states political elite of France, Germany, Spain and Austria.

In contrast to British elites that need every way in possible in to EU and keep NATO together. Similar with Sweden and Norway, might change more with Denmark and Finland is positive, but it has a tendency to keep it's distance (similar to know Norway was more in the past). Norway and Sweden can't afford to gamle on old troglodytes that mainly focus on their internal affairs and try first and foremost to reach a settlement with Russia at the expense of several countries security that are close or bordering Russia.

Compare level of investments, activity and manpower being located to Poland, Finland, Baltic states and Romania. Then you can see who takes Russia seriously and who does media stunts for publicity to calm down the crowd bothering leadership about Russia

@AntV: These types of elites say nobody

Spot on, AntV. I remember that right after Trump's first election to the presidency, the ladies of The View struggled to understand how he could have won, as they didn't know anyone who voted for him. They seemed isolated from the real world, existing in their own bubble. This isn't much different from Jon's perspective, where he views the world through the lens of LGBT issues and destructive liberalism.

Hm... I haven't thought of that. :-/

Classic...

As for Merkel, first she blocked Ukraine from getting western weapons in 2015 despite US willingness to offer them and consistently pressured Ukraine into that sh!t Minsk agreement, while pushing for continued economic cooperation with Russia, then years later after it became clear how retarded and nearly traitorous her actions were and public support for any cooperation with Russia completely disappeared, she defended herself by pretending that Minsk was just a way to give Ukraine time, and she was totally always pro Ukraine. And now after she realized the people didn't buy it, and her career is pretty much over, in some desperate pivot to the right wing, she once again started saying that she did great with Minsk, it was great agreement that deescalated the situation, and actually the reason why the war happened is... because Poland and Baltics blocked her direct talks with Putin in 2021 :-D Angela would totally fix everything if the evil Poles just let her!

She said that she felt "Putin was not taking Minsk seriously any longer", and that she felt it was necessary to open a new format of talks with Russia - where the EU would talk directly with Russia.

The Baltics, and Poland - blocked this proposal.

That's all she said.

To go from this, to arguing that "Merkel blames the war on Poland" - is quite a leap.

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What she said was absolutely true.

Poland and Baltics always insisted "No talks about Ukraine, without Ukraine". Also, they always insisted "you must involve regional shareholders in consultations".

When a Macron and a Merkel want to talk directly to Russia - of course Poland and the Baltics will always moan and complain... because they are paranoid that those two would make a rotten deal over their heads.

It's exactly how Merkel concluded that part of her interview:

Merkel explained that these countries had been "afraid" that "we would not have a common policy toward Russia ... In any case, it didn't happen. Then I left office, and then Putin's aggression began."

Kor...spread them the way Bobko does it. It reads easier.

Of course there should be no talks about Ukraine without Ukraine.

How would you like it if your more powerful neighbors China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan started talks on how to carve up North Nigeria ?

After WW2, the US, UK, France, and the USSR talked without Germans.

Some people are just annoying. That's why Poland was not invited to the DC recently. The risk that the delegation may have somebody like you was too great.

America negotiated with the Taliban directly, in Doha - without inviting any of the representatives of the government of Ashraf Ghani.

That is, the US negotiated directly with a group they had earlier designated as a terrorist organization, and neglected to invite representatives of their own puppet government - that they had worked so hard to set up.

How's that for negotiations about "Ukraine without Ukraine"?

Together with their puppet government, Trump and Biden screwed some tens of millions of women - who were naive enough to believe in the promise of the new republic.

Henry Kissinger negotiated with North Vietnam directly. South Vietnam's president only found out that Nixon and Kissinger flushed him down the toilet - after the fact. He protested viciously - but it was too late.

Any thoughts on this?

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Seems to me, that it is a rather persistent pattern where the people actually holding leverage are the ones that get to talk.

Russia was the one who kept violating Minsk from the moment it was signed, both first and second agreement were consistently ignored and later broken by Russians, used only as a way to temporarily force Ukrainians into worse position at the pretense of "making peace" and then backstab them later with advantage - similar tactic they tried in this war with their recent "peace proposals", which thankfully were always rejected. The failures of Minsk I/II are one of the main reasons why Ukrainians won't ever again agree to any ceasefire with Russia without solid western security guarantees.

As for Merkel it's super retarded to treat her lies which change whenever it's convenient for her, as a proof of anything.

@Korvinus

You've seriously got your history backwards.

Minsk II was FORCED ON RUSSIA.

How can people even believe what you wrote? Is this really what some people think?!?

Poroshenko was desperate for this deal - and Merkel and Hollande got him it - through pressure on Putin.

Days after the signing of the accord, the cauldron at Debaltseve collapsed - sealing the fate of thousands of Ukrainian servicemen. This showed, that Poroshenko's position was untenable already during the talks. He was living on borrowed time, together with his country.

Merkel and Hollande saved them.

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Russia stupidly agreed to Minsk, because it seemed - at least on paper - that it would grant to us all the things we had demanded. Federalization, language protections, new elections, etc.

In the event - Poroshenko dragged us around by the nose for 5 more years, and didn't deliver one iota of what he promised us.

Through clever political stagecraft - France and Germany made it seem like it was all our fault - though privately they would admit to us that they are running out of patience with the obstinate Ukrainians.

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What you are writing is total fiction. Have some shame.

Pretty much no point of Minsk I or II, was ever properly implemented, on either side, since it's pretty hard to properly implement sh!t when Russia keeps shooting at you despite the ceasefire, to take advantage of your forces starting to pull out. Not even half a year after Minsk II, there were already 4000+ Russian violations of the ceasefire. Ofc Ukrainians after their initial shock, adopted the same stance of only pretending to abide by the agreement, and at this point sh!t like changing the constitution was completely dead.

Read what I wrote again, and use your brain, it's really not complicated. Russia immediately started breaking Minsk, both I and II. Sure they would love if the Ukrainians pressured by western scumbags like Merkel would keep implementing the agreement despite that and letting srus gain even more, but the chaos of Ukrainian army and non-Russian bought parts of the government being paralyzed by the western support being pulled, being pressured to disarm, told that there is peace now, while the enemy is advancing towards them and assaulting their positions, was very much good enough for srus. And they were able to get away with breaking the agreement much more easily, since west kept wagging their fingers at Ukraine for any violation, while srussian violations were met with "Weeeeell, Putin said it's not their soldiers, Russia is not a part of the conflict, so there is nothing they can do if some Ukrainian separatists decide to attack Ukrainians here and there despite Minsk! Tough sh!t Ukraine, you have to live with it!" because EU was still lead by dumbfucks who believed in appeasement and their primary concern was keeping the Russian gas going to Europe, who cares if he takes some land here and there, it's not like he's doing a full invasion of Ukraine, hahaha, that would never happen as long as we continue our economic cooperation!

Why not write: "100,000 violations"?

These Russian violations were so egregious, that between 2014 and 2022 Ukraine actually managed to retake several important villages.

Yes - you read that right - UKRAINE GAINED TERRITORY BETWEEN 2014 AND 2022.

This was the most humiliating and enraging aspect of the West's constant finger wagging at us - for supposedly not abiding by the agreement.

We violate the ceasefire - but Ukraine magically regains territory. How does that work in your mind? How is that logically possible?

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In addition to leading a quiet "shadow war" for 8 years - Ukraine:

1) Did not decentralize as promised. No meaningful autonomy was given to provincial administrations - except in the budget sphere. Paradoxically - this reform was actually great for Ukraine - to the extent it was implemented.

2) Did not remove bans on Russian language instruction, broadcasting, etc.

3) Always refused to talk to our guys in Donetsk and Luhansk - claiming they are illegitimate. They only wanted to talk to the Kremlin. This... despite it saying clearly within the document that they are to work with the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk.

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Minsk was the condition of Russia stopping the assault.

What we got for it - was didn't squat.

My short version:

Russia will not stop until C+4 are free of US proxies.

Sorry, but I can't make it any shorter.

Dear Russia: Kill them all. Faster...

While Golden Cow sits on his scabby hand please note that the Ukrainians set a new record for a deep strike inside North Nigeria - 2100km to bomb another oil refinery.

The drunk NN idiots have actually started importing oil this week LOL

That's why I don't understand your comparisons to the Taliban and North Vietnam - right now Ukraine is a sovereign state well capable of fighting back against the rapist war criminals

This is not the United States' fight.

Take Greenland. Take Panama.

Bomb Venezuela to smithereens.

Send death squads to hunt cartel leaders in Mexico.

Bend Canada over backwards, and rape them.

Your prerogative.

The North Nigerian way of seduction

Ever read Ovid? Big fan of rape.

His Metamorphoses - some might say - is a poetic reflection on Roman power. The gods behave as Romans do toward the conquered - that is - rape and enslave.

Rape is about power.

Trump wants to show Canada his power.

It shouldn't be, but it is.

Without the US MICC plus Biden, this war wouldn't even start. Ukrainians are patriotic, but not total morons. They can count.

Say what you want about Merkel, but helping to broker the Minsk agreement was realistically the best that she could do at this point.

Remember, the reason why she went to Minsk (with Hollande) was because the USA and the UK refused or were unable to meaningfully support Ukraine (despite having signed the Budapest memorandum).

The Ukrainian army was close to a collapse, and no Western country was willing to support Ukraine in a meaningful way. Minsk avoided a complete Ukrainian defeat and bought the country time to reform itself and get into a position to successfully defend itself years later.

That is so true, but will have to change soon as Poland's economic power just grows and grows,just like it's military power.....and if it ever does come to a war with Russia,those elitist states will be begging Poland to defend them!


She was a total disaster in every way possible!


Isn't that an obvious and logical stance to take? Unless you are Russian of course.....logic eludes them.....


It tells me that the Russian military are stupid and outwitted by the Ukrainians at every turn!


Idiot! Russia is incapable!


Not according to Trump and he's the one that matters.Putin can go and £vck himself!


Yeah and so can we and so far, Russia is losing!

In some instances, but don't give Jon any ideas, he is looking at you with lust in his eyes:::)))

I just talked to 1.8 million dead Ukrainins. They said that Russia is very capable.

Of course, Poland not only caused World War II (the attack on the radio station in Gliwice) but is also guilty of Russia's attack on Ukraine. This interpretation of history suits Putin, for example. Oh, and I forgot to add the Polish death camps in World War II. This interpretation suits other idiots.

Do Merkela and other German conservatives even believe that themselves?


Good news. May many follow

Germany still imports plenty of Russian gas through French, Dutch and Belgian LNG terminals