Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25

We'll make a good Socialist out of you yet.


The Times today was saying 3-5 years. They are certainly planning already.


That's very possible, however given that it's one small business, and they're doing it in partnership with a specific company, I'd not read too much into it.

Indeed. The lack of elites in the West these days is appalling.


I try to be a good Christian and that's quite enough for me. Socialism has this annoying tendency to eventually developing gulags, censorship, and meat and cheese ration cards. No, thank you.

... and now Medvedev is raging against Finland...

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Ehh... get ready, boys...

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Ukraine has received more than enough from Poland. Poland has given more than any other EU country to Ukraine. Taking in millions of people, housing, feeding, and protecting women and children, not to mention all the military aid. This while thousands of Ukrainian men of fighting age, hide in Poland because they got out when they saw the invasion coming, or because they got out illegaly. Ukrainian people here in Krakow are getting pretty full of themselves in many cases, and are wearing out their welcome.

Same thing in many ways.

Remember, the disgusting charlatan Ayn Rand and her opportunistic ideological heroes all hated Christianity.


That's communism and fascism

No wonder. Her heroes have their own happiness as all the moral purpose of their lives. Randism is a cult of selfishness and personal achievement at all cost. It's a mix of capitalism and satanism.

I got Mary Barton, South Riding, Love on the Dole, and A Scot's Quair; now I only have to find time to read them. I've recently read Keep the Aspidistra Flying - it was hilarious. :)

Anyways, I read Gorky and Steinbeck and it didn't turn me into a socialist, so I wouldn't hold my breath, Jonno.

Pretty well. That's why the Laveyans like her so much. It sadddens me that so many bookshops in PL have fancy leather bound presentation copies of her stuff.


Mary Barton is amazing. You might need to look up words like "clemming" and "unked". I did.

If some of the descriptions of poverty look familiar, it's because Engels ripped them off directly from that book. Or maybe visited the places with her since he was her neighbour.

South Riding is amazing. Set near Hull. Holtby was the daughter of a very rich family and was vying of cancer, only young, when she wrote it.

Isn't that play with words, jon?

Not to mention that I learned in my GDR-school that socialism is always ever only a stepstone to the real big goal, the "true liberation of the workers and farmers through COMMUNISM!" No joke!

There is just no trust left that socialism will ever keep its promises at all, since ALL tries in the last decades, all over the world, sometimes with different names and different strategies, lost in the end....and lost badly. Never once could a socialist gov build something admirable, respectable, worthy of copying....quite the contrary!
And the apology for all of this is always only: "It wasn't the "right" socialism!"....and of course followed by: "Next time we will make it better"! That just doesn't work anymore....

Maybe its time to throw that whole ideology with its holy book (Das Kapital) and their saints (Marx/Engels) at last into the bin of history!

No.


That was the crap that communists pushed. Tankies still believe it. That and saying capitalism was monolithic and 'end stage' rather than metastasising due to its inherent greed.


It wasn't Socialism at all.

....war ja klar! :)

Are you able to articulate what you want to say in simple terms? It seems to me you are a Ukrainian. Am I right?
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It's time for a spell of peace. Everyone needs to take a breather to get ready for round two. Seems Russia is still full of **** and vinegar and is not done, trying to push that war for longer. It works for everyone, China too, and Russia will need to take a long break after that war.
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It was a part of the constitution, it had a perfect explanation and role, and was rational until it wasn't. Complaints about liberum veto are complaints about the constitution, ie, organization of the Rzeczpospolita. A talking point.
Not a bad omen. lol!

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What boys. I see some middle-aged women there. WTF? Territorial defence. Who is running that circus?
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When people like you say it, they mean it if I were Stalin. Lenin or whoever, I would do a better job; I would make it work. No, you wouldn't, because that ideology goes against human nature. Marx was a useless parasite who never worked a day in his life nor did anything productive, he was writing sh;t and talking nonsense, how would he know anything useful living his whole life in the ivory tower.
It only means you are delusional and have a narcissistic streak in you.

They were communists.


He was a major economist whose books are still sold and studied.

How long was the break between the end of K and the beginning of V?

Where are they followed and applied?

I saw a book Mary Has Two Mommies...So I guess Adam was useless.

That's how we got Marx...useless azzhole...

In Illinois elementary schools there is a book called "Renata likes to play dress up"

Keep your trans stuff on the thread that was set up for it

In China they still worship Das Kapital. And in Vietnam. These are by no means backwards economies.

Xi is now in the habit of wearing a Mao tunic, and his favorite activity is putting billionaires behind bars. In such a way, that six months later their investors and their family members still can't find them - whether alive or dead. Still sounds plenty Socialist to me.


At some point in the past three years, I understood that part of what happens in this war - is that a Russian and a Ukrainian meet each other, in a field, or a trench, or in a city apartment block - and then KILL EACH OTHER.

I don't know how people ever got used to this idea, but to me it certainly felt totally normal. So when I realized again, that people are killing people, it was quite a revelation.

Just the most senseless, stupid, and depressing concept ever.

We are made for so much more, than seeking each other out, and then blowing each others brains out.

It's sad.

If it took a smart guy like you three and a half years to figure this out, then this SMO/FSI will last for another three years at least before the general population catches up. :-/

War releases all sorts of endorphins. It's very hard to resist the initial emotional barrage, and the hysteria.

For a generation that grew up without war (Georgia, and Syria don't count), it felt almost welcome.

But now it's back to that eternal realization that this is a sh*t business.

Seen today a bridge in Kursk that the Ukies blew up - they left some old antitank mines under there. The North Nigerians, of course, too drunk and too lazy to check under the bridges. Simple matter to fly a drone into it and destroy it.

Similiar instincts to football games come into play....my homies against your homies.....all are ready to support their home team....screaming, chanting, flag waving, but mostly still happy and full of expectation....so easily roused...its hard to go against these instincts!

You beat me to it, BB. :)

Football was invented for endorphins. It works much better than dismembering women and children with artillery. At least for me.

I think this is the last war in white countries where you could ride that wave.

It works only on people from 16 to 40 years old.

When the white world reaches an average age of 50, no amount of hysteria will get people excited about war.

I'm 36 now, and one of the last things I want to do, is leave everything behind and go sit in a trench with water up to my ankles.

War is a young man's game.

Now you sound quite like an old chap...but a wise one! :)

At 36 years old you still wear shorts.

Well, you are right to some extent, but I spoke to a quite brilliant young Russian from St. Petersburg recently. I taught him Physics last year* and he visited me at the beginning of this school year and told me a lot about himself and about his plans for the future. Despite being very young he expressed no excitation whatsoever with the war in Ukraine, he even told me that most of his friends in St. Petersburg are not interested at all in the SMO/FSI. Funny thing though, he told me he gave up on Warsaw as his choice of university because there's too many Ukrainians there. :) During the school year, however, I never noticed any animosity between Ukrainians and Russians/Belarussians.

* in case you're wondering, apart from Ukrainians we got quite a few students from Belarus and Russia as well after 2022

Surely only in bed? 😮

Because Steinbeck wasn't a socialist; at least, I keep trying to make that argument when it comes up.

The commies/socialist characters in In Dubious Battle , for example,are pathetic, self-serving, self-defeating, and destructive.


What do these acronyms stand for?


Unless evil and its utter void of good is considered. Then, it makes sense-complete sense. Although, it still remains stupid and depressing.


Good point. Shows that if reason doesn't manage the emotions, we become nothing but animals.


Make that two of us!


Very reasonable. I'm 57 and still wear them daily from May- September.

He was Polish socialists' favourite though - if anything of American literature was read on Polish universities during PRL, it was Steinbeck. They loved him!


Special Military Operation/Full Scale Invasion


Ah, collecting admiring glances from every lady in the neighborhood, and one death glare from your wife. :) Don't we all?

And Wharton! (far better known in Poland than in the US....)