Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24

You know why Cain killed Abel?

Because he was telling old jokes. ;)

That's the dictator trap and a symptom of your retarded socio-political system that cannot retain knowledge because at some point it's going to displease the dictator... or simply be neglected because the retarded dictator has some other retarded goal that everybody has to pretend to support

Progress and education or dictator? As long as russians consistently choose the latter their country will be a third rate dump with a pretty metro.

And yet so many russians (including you) seem to think other people should want to lower themselves to live like russians.... fat chance.

Here's a thread on the modern russian approach to 'training'

tldr: under negative selection (a guiding principle of russian government) there is no upside to training soldiers and lots of dangers, it's more advantageous to higher ups to send in untrained guys to be killed....

russia - culture of death

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Why is there this belief that it would take Europe 10 years to build capabilities?

Round my way they can knock up a factory or a large warehouse in several months, fill it with machines, start building weapons. I appreciate that manpower is a problem but if we were to have military service wouldn't it make more sense to spend it in a drone factory or building nukes than in a trench ?

The 1 million drunk farm boy conscripts could easily be wiped out. They are still fighting (and raping) like it's 1943 but the civilized world has moved on

@Torq
You dont want to understand what you fear. America, can stand alone and watch Europe struggle with Russia. Your ideas of what Europe can do militarily are not supported by any facts. Poland could mobilize reservists, but there are not enough weapons for them. If you think that Turkey is going to war with Russia if Russia attacks Latvia you're delusional. Sweden is not going to war for any of the Baltics either. The whole NATO concept is laughable without the US. If you think the EU cold fight Russia alone, you must be day drinking. And your nuclear day dreams of Poland having missiles is something out of a demented fairy tale.

We understand it PolAm - America wants us to defend ourselves and they don't care about us. Many Americans don't even seem to care about other Americans - all the racism and hate on the other threads proves that.

Defending ourselves means nukes - and there is nothing holding us back. We have the capital, know how and can easily get the raw materials. Let's get cracking !

Americans want the single state USSR back rather than deal with over a dozen separate countries and will not care if russia invades the regain the Warsaw Pact.

Understood. No one should rely on the unreliable US.

They're just waiting to make an orderly withdrawal as soon as russia invades a Baltic country (even odds as to which one....) I kind of think it will be Estonia.... russians in Latvia are more annoying but apparently putin has a h@rd on about Narva being a 'russian city'....

It isn't limited to Russia, compare successes of Prussian army in 1700's with Prussia in Napoleonic era then Germany in ww1.

No country is immune to this

Maybe he is drunk, to be honest; you often say things that make people think you are high as a kite.
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Here I was thinking you were smart. lol! Sorry, my mistake.
To clarify my earlier point for those who may not understand: The difference between Finland and Poland is rooted in their geopolitical positions, which are fundamentally distinct. Russia has little to gain by advancing further into Scandinavia, and Finland is situated far from major strategic interests. In contrast, Poland plays a crucial role in the entire Eastern Central European region.
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Well... this is an interesting example.

Prussia actually did stick to doctrine, and fought just as it had in the earlier part of the century. That is, as a compact, professional, and exceptionally well drilled force that excelled in linear tactics. The army was still a "watchmaker's instrument" of extreme precision, but it was at the same time exceptionally brittle within the new context. It could not adapt to the mass, mobility, and operational tempo of Revolutionary/Napoleonic France.

Beyond his operational brilliance, Napoleon could draw on literally bottomless manpower reserves, by exploiting the Revolutionary Era levee en masse. The small Prussian army which depended on professionalism (up to 20 years invested in each soldier), could not hope to compete - when Napoleon could raise 2-3 new armies to replace each one he lost. Once the Prussian army was destroyed - it remained destroyed.

So Prussia is not a good analogy for Russia's "amnesia". Instead, they were too faithful to their doctrine.

The Soviet Union actually perfected how to fight modern wars by 1944. That is when concepts like Deep Battle, maskirovka, echeloned exploitation forces, tight coordination of reconnaissance-fire-maneuver were developed. But in the post-Soviet era, much of that intellectual framework withered. Corruption, hollowed out institutions, and the return of an artillery-centric mindset degraded the "reconnaissance-strike complex" back into simply volume of fire. The current war is forcing us to re-discover that fires only matter if paired with maneuver, reconnaissance, and timely exploitation.

To win in Ukraine, we just needed to stick to Soviet doctrine. Instead we tried some fancy-pants American style battalion tactical groups, which lacked any depth or mass or ability to conduct independent operations, while possessing exceptional firepower.

Now we are going back to our roots, plus integrating some new tools - namely unmanned systems and precision strikes.

Whatever "doctrine" the NNs are following, being blind drunk by breakfast is never helpful

Stop trying to make out that it's some kind of science - the only tactics you had in 4 years were suicidal infantry charges without air cover

@cms neuf
Poland getting nukes is as likely as Iran getting them. Manufacturing them here and Russia would bomb the plant where they are made. The US told Duda no to having a nuclear rotation. That was as close as Poland will get to having one. All this talk about a united european military is fun to read though. While all this talk is taking place Russia keeps building its military with actual people and actual weapons.

Mass infantry charges stopped in 2023.

Since 2024 armored columns largely disappeared.

In 2025, it is infiltration by small groups (2-8) of light infantry employing motorcycles, electric scooters, and buggies. This is how the Ukrainian front is being cracked now.

With no dust clouds, loud rumbling noises, or simply without large numbers - it leaves much less time for the Ukrainian FPV operators to react before contact is made. Also, hitting a guy on a motorcycle, is much harder than hitting a lumbering 45 ton vehicle.

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Proof that it works, is that the Ukrainians are copying us. They are also now training "Mad Max" assault teams which arrive in battle on motorcycles. Just as they are copying our "bbq grills", after laughing at us for installing "cope" cages.

Nearly every single thing we've done, that they initially laughed at, they are now copying.


If it's not a science, then why do places like the Institute for the Study of War, or the Royal United Services Institute, or the RAND Corporation, or the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, write quarterly manuscripts running hundreds of pages long dissecting Russian operational art?

If it's not a science - then why does the frontline currently look like just one long series of cauldrons? Ukraine has several cities that are currently in semi encirclement. And even though they've seen exactly how it works - on their own skin - they seemingly are unable to fix the issue. Every few months, some new Ukrainian city comes under risk of encirclement from two flanks.

They see the map, they understand the movements, and the allocation of forces, and the intent - and they are still not able to do anything about it.

When you know everything (and the Americans and Europeans fill in the gaps for them), and are still not able to do anything about it - that's a good sign you are up against some scientific effort, rather than some haphazard, back of the napkin planning.

Don't misunderstand me though - tanks will still come back, one day. But only after the front is truly broken.

Right now we are still struggling to exploit successes.

Last week, there was a major breach on the Pokrovsk front, where our forces made a 15km advance over approx 48 hrs towards Zolotiy Kolodiaz (beyond the new Donbass Defense Line Ukraine has built).

Unfortunately, we were not able to rush in enough forces to continue the breach's further exploitation. Eventually, Ukrainian reserves and units pulled off from other sectors arrived in strength, and stopped the advance. Then they counterattacked, and the breach is now being shrunk.

If the breach was a little wider, and a little deeper, and we broke through completely into the Ukrainian rear - then that would be the moment that tanks would make their comeback. Rushed into the hole made in Ukrainian lines, they could engage in the type of maneuver warfare we last saw in 2022. Then, large swathes of land could be taken in a single day.

But the Ukrainian front isn't being cracked - your dipsomaniac troops are still in the same place - and they will probably be celebrating Christmas there in January or whenever the **** you have it. I can picture it now - a bucket of home brew vodka, some Tanzanian chocolate and a tinny call back to Omsk on a Nokia 8210.

The reason they stopped tank assaults is because they ran out of tanks. how effective do you think drunkards on motorcycles are going to be ? - and the average North Nigerian bike is just as loud as a tank anyway.

PolAm as always you just don't understand. We don't need US permission to build nukes any more. Those were the old rules and Golden Cow made it clear they no longer apply. We just need money and time. And if the North Nigerians suddenly develop precision bombing then that just proves we need nukes.

What is your objection to Poland having nukes ? It's just a logical step. Why can North Nigeria or Israel or Pakistan or France have them but not Poland ?

@cms neuf
Of course no permission is needed. Still, as soon as Russia finds out Poland is building a nuke, expect a big boom. I have no objection to Poland having nukes other than it is a provocation to Russia. France developed their nuclear program in the cold war. Israel probably had a small nuke in the 70's, and Pakistan cant be policed by anyone. Poland as a member of NATO is not going to risk having a nuke without NATO approval, and thats never happening.

No. I'm simply not interested. I'm in a country that's over a millenium old. During my studies I lived in a building that's older than the USA xD
Why would I want to learn anything about it? Especially now that under Trump Americans (not all of them, of course) have become such unbearable kurvas that I almost want Russia and China to take over the world domination. Don't be ridiculous.


The very existence of independent Poland is a provocation to Russia. You spent so many years on this forum and yet you learnt nothing.


F*ck NATO then. Frontline countries (Finland, Baltics, Poland, Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria) will always cooperate, and they are more than able to stop Russia. At least three of them (Poland, Finland, Romania) will soon have nukes and there's absolutely nothing anybody can do about it.

How far are you from the front Mr. We?


I think it's simpler than that. Most people don't choose their political affiliation based on their beliefs, they choose a group and then adopt their beliefs.

At some point he became a MAGA/woke right guy and so he switched from viewing the war as a russian invasion of a sovereign and peaceful country to accepting that russia is an innocent player provoked beyond reason by the diabolical west and the best thing for Ukraine is to surrender and hope that the whole country won't turn into a giant Bucha... (not that he'd care if he did since he'll blame Obama or Hillary or anyone but putin).

Wow! You think it's that bad?

Let's see - hey, PolAm, when Trump wrote a letter to Epstein and ended it with...

"Happy Birthday - and may every day be another wonderful secret."

... what another daily wonderful secret did he have in mind? Gimme your best guess! :)

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I was recently wondering if it was the KGB (as most suspect) that arranged the "car accident" that killed the commie Poland's nuclear weapons program head or if maybe CIA burned an asset on this to avoid having another nuclear-armed commie state. Both superpowers had plenty of motivation. Still that program was probably a technological dead end since Gierek bought into the hype of a pure fusion weapon that nobody has ever created (for good reasons, he could avoid the whole problem of sourcing and enriching uranium).

Anyone who is serious about acquiring nukes would do it in the most absolute secrecy and only publicly show it when they have a good arsenal capable of dissuading enemies and the world is distracted with something important.

Of course. That's exactly what's being done in Poland for quite a while now.

Why do you think Iran's consecutive nuclear chiefs (heads of Atomic Energy Organization of Iran) have always been consulting with Poland (sometimes even openly)...





... for well over a decade? And that's just one aspect of a much wider, multi-source program. Of course, details are not known to the wider public, but some factors like the acquisition of nuclear carrying planes (F-35), gaining long distance strike capabilities (over 900km) and certain bases and infrastructure modifications point clearly to the fact that Poland either already has or is on the brink of deploying her own nuclear force.

We can talk about it on an internet board but of course officially it's a secret and everyone will deny it. Understandable.

This way we will avoid sanctions but everybody will know that we have nuclear weapons, like Israel.

Thank you, my dear KGB friends...I knew Poles could count on you to eliminate Polish nuke lunatics...

Today, I am disappointed in your FSB brothers...Why the fvck does Zelensky still have a pulse?

Why is Ukrainian Parliament still standing? Why is Kiev downtown off limits? This is sick...Both should be flat on Day 2 of that ridiculous SMO...

The last thing I would expect from Russia is that it would follow the American idiocy known as Vietnam-style "police action"...Unfvckingbelievable...

Who the fvck cares... I would vote for a guy who promised to close the border even if he were a convicted child rapist.

Not me.

I'm just wondering what kind of mental gymnastics will PolAm come up with. :D

All other issues aside stop perpetrating the "nukes are the end of the world" meme. Russgolia would have to nuke every single town and village in Poland for one. A global thermonuclear war would mean national catastrophes, major population decline and economic crisis but not extinction.

As I said before, only PAK's and Russians' posts are worth reading.

PAK's to feel better that I am not the only one...and Bobko's to learn from...

The rest of you are only good as targets...

You didn't read my post very carefully, did you?


Well, with the number of nukes they have, they probably could, but still it wouldn't mean the extinction of Poles if you read my post to the end. :) And our 400 nukes will be more than enough to avoid this scenario.

Russia is entitled to do one D, H, and N so let's save that "war crimes" crap for later ...

The bar of my expectations for you is set extremely low but somehow you always manage to dig underneath it. xD

European leaders including Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron to join Zelensky in Washington for Trump summit after US President's Alaska showdown

This meeting should last 3 minutes, not 3 hours as was the case with Putin.

Trump: Vlad and I decided x, y, and z. Read the page in front of you and email us if you have any questions. Have a nice trip back home...


Are you upset about D, H, and N? Did the US do something wrong?

You and a few posters simply spam this thread. If you have nothing to say, just rambling of an old fool plus trolling, do it elsewhere.


So I guess you are not willing to hand over Kaliningrad?