Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23

It might be rather difficult to do with the inept government (which, luckily, may change in a couple of years) and aging, dying out population (not likely to change in the foreseeable future).

Without proper Catholic revival and reversing the tragic demographic trends, all our plans of asserting ourselves as even a local power will come to naught. The problem is, without Divine intervention, I can't see it happening.

Nothing worthwhile is easy.

@Ironside

Wise words!

How do we do it then? I mean stop dying out like a bunch of Slavic dinosaurs?

step by step. The first step get rid of all those twats who have been in power for the last 36 years. Pull them out with their roost.

Your words in God's ears!

The more I think about it and analyse the current state of Polish politics, the more I see that you were right most of the time. The current "elites" (most of PSL top politicians included) have a post-colonial slave mentality--any sort of opposition against the EU and/or the USA is unthinkable to them. They are either weak, corrupt or just plain stupid.

They are often unable to act as independent advocates and defend Polish national interests. Many do not even understand what that entails.
What we witness now is a sad spectacle of politicians lecturing their constituents on what they should do and shouldn't, mostly to keep them in line, while they engage in doing nothing.
When citizens step up and defend borders on their own instead of being supported, they are being labeled as some sort of hooligans. The worst totalitarianism since PRL.
If that government can't even defend Polish borders from illegal migrants, what are they good for? Why are they taking taxpayers' money for the job they botched?

Useless twats.

Let them enjoy their remaining two years in power (if this joke of a government even lasts that long).

The problem is that countless thousands of people who are illegal immigrants in other EU Member States came to Poland legally. Well, legally in the sense that they bought visas from people who people who were entitled to issue visas.

TACO has now given Putler 10-12 days.

I think that is 10-12 days until he gives them another 2 weeks LOL

Big news day...

Trump, is apparently finally realizing that russia doesn't want peace and his old 50 day deadline before devastating sanctions is no longer in play.... we'll see if he sticks to that or if putin can sweet talk him again....

Aeroflot hit by massive hacking strike and cancels 50 or so flights as 7000 servers are taken out and 20 TB of info stolen.... this could be good for russia since russian airplanes are not exactly in great shape....

An unidentified drone was spotted over Vilnius, probably from Belarus.... probably a russian decoy drone.... the same type they try to overload Ukrainian air defense with so they can hit civilian residences and hospitals....

In even better news, the US is willing to sell LNG to the EU (after refusals from Canada's Trudeau and the Biden administration so they can further decouple from russian energy (it's only real product.....).

Also, IINM Trump is supposed to meet with putin supporter Orban... will the squat Hungarian sweet talk him for putin or will he realize he's been backing the wrong horse?

What exactly is contained within these "devastating sanctions"?

To my mind, there is nothing left to sanction directly, with only secondary options remaining instead.

50 days sounded more credible, as one could perhaps see some kind of Indian and Chinese pressure campaign developing against Russia - ahead of sanctions being imposed on them for their Russian imports.

2 weeks... tells me that nothing will happen. Why? Because Trump has a lot of other sh!t going on during those two weeks - including tariff negotiations with 100+ countries still outstanding (August 1st was to be the deadline). I don't think it makes for very good negotiations with China and India, when you apply the following sanctions:

"500 percent tariffs on imports from any country that "knowingly sells, supplies, transfers, or purchases oil, uranium, natural gas, petroleum products, or petrochemical products that originated in the Russian Federation"

In lieu of applying meaningful sanctions against those two parties (or Turkey - the third largest partner), then it is likely that Trump will actually apply some new sanctions directly Russia.

These will likely target banks - as that's the one area where the US maintains at least some leverage.

Trump will host a great press conference, blame Biden for most of the difficulty in dealing with Russia, argue that "no one has ever been as tough on Russia"... and then Lindsey Graham will make some joyous squealing noises.

You'll see.

If Trump actually applies 500% tariffs on India, Turkey, and China - then I will eat my own underpants and post it on PF.

I doubt they will survive until spring. Good roddance.

Has anyone figured out what Trump will do "in two weeks"?

He'll impose some tariffs. Maybe on golf balls. 🤔

He will impose a three week deadline, after which he will have to impose another four (maybe five) week deadline but this will be the last... or maybe penultimate deadline on extending deadlines on deadlines.

Ehh...

Whatever happened to "I will end this war in 24 hours"?

Yeah, and then what? I am no big fan of PiS or KO (cause of scandals, abuse of power and policy politics I disagree with. Not to mention all the points earlier by Torq)

If not them, then it could be a Lewice, PSL or Konfederacja/Hołownia mix setup and I can't possibly see any good coming out of it. Most of them are used to critisize governments, reach out to the media and trying to stay afloat with attention from general public with media stunts.

Most likely, any non-PiS or non-KO option would make mistakes left and right without backing from experts and the civil administration, that prefers to just do what told to even grudgingly.

It could lead to a quick backlash to revival of PiS or KO again and the circus continues or the civil administration grows hungry for power and plays em like a fiddle and try to make them stay afloat just to increase their own power and influence.

I have a hard time seeing a positive scenario for the Polish political scene for the next 4 years.

Maybe Nawrocki is able to do something who knows, I don't have huge hope that he can remedy anything. Most likely he will just create international conflicts -.-

These multi-headed hydras never do well.

It is against human nature, for coalitions to achieve much practical progress.

If the issue of the day is maintaining the welfare state - then they can do it effectively enough.

If the situation demands something more fundamental and revolutionary - coalitions are the wrong pilots to take you there.

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To do big beautiful things... you need majorities. For example - right now Trump can do whatever he wants, because he controls the presidency, the House, and the Senate.

Zelensky can do anything - because his "Servant of the People" party controls a mono-majority,

Putin can do anything - his United Russia is firmly in control of the Duma (though he is independent, and no longer a party member).

For sure, Putin is main culprit in this matter. ;) Because if it is not Putin, then WHO? ;)

As usual!

But look at it this way: if Poland can do reasonably well with such half-wits in the government, imagine what we could do with proper leadership. ;)

Every time one side reaches out across the aisle, 90% gets fvcked and 1% giggles to the nearest bank.

9% are who*res for hire ... we see them daily on ABC, CNN, and NBC.

russian governments don't care about the opinions of the public and give their standard of living no thought whatsoever.... what? sheep tell the farmer how to run his mutton business?

and people that oppose him end up dead... in obvious ways

...as opposed to the US, UK, France, and German governments that always ask how the public feels...especially about illegal migrants...

After 200 million Americans begged Biden to open borders as wide as possible, he did...a model of democracy...just as under Stalin...

Is water in Poland contaminated?

Only as long as people are afraid to oppose him...... his time will come....

so, since these are russians..... forever.....

Remember when Russians gassed to death kids taken hostage?

When Russians revolt, the whole world feels the consequences.

Best for your wellbeing, that Russians keep their heads down and focus on work.

As far as Polish preparations for the war are concerned - a billionaire and one of the richest Poles, Roman Karkosik, is building the largest statue of Saint Virgin Mary in the world...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kujawsko-pomorskie/konotopie-polski-miliarder-stawia-najwiekszy-na-swiecie-pomnik-matki-boskiej/v5lp5sg

... it will be larger than the statue of Jesus the Redeemer in Świebodzin.

Take that, Putin! Hehe...

@Министр Белоу́сов

Take notice, Андре́й Рэ́мович, and consider switching sides.

When? I'd say they're already revolting..... get it? get it? ha ha ha!!!! I'm so funnnnny!

Russians have always been revolting :-)

Now Trump has had enough of being played by Putin and that 50 days has been reduced to 10 to 12 days.
Putin needs to wake up..... Russians have a massive ego and think they are much more powerful than they actually are.
3 years of war and more and they have not captured much more of Ukraine than they already controlled after the first invasion, lost about a million troops and Ukraine is hitting Moscow......

@mafketis

Well, the last time we revolted, some 1.5 billion people ended up living under the system of government the revolutionaries invented.

I think the population of the world at the time was 4 billion.