Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22

In fact the American (and all other) nukes exist solely because of the Tube Alloys Programme however the yanks, for entirely self-seeking commercial reasons, denied access to them.


Yes. Imagine no pacific theatre without the thousands of Europeans and ANZACs who died there or without the various military bases on territory belonging to European count.

But you see, Russia is not going to nuke a European city. They are not barbarians to use nuclear weapons against civilian targets, namely cities full of women and children. There is only one country in the history of Planet Earth who has ever commited such unthinkable atrocity. Do you remember which country it was?

@Torq
And if not for the two nukes used in Japan, the war would have continued for probably two more years. If you think Russia wont nuke a European city you're naive'. Russia knows the US wont send men to Europe again. To send a message that Europe should FO, a little nuke in a less populated city sends a big message. And Europe has zero chance of returning a similar message or defending itself.

Again, all the tough talk. Why isnt Europe in Ukraine fighting if its so tough and they stand so resolutely behind Ukraine? Its all political bvllshit and theater.

Does the same manifest destiny analyses apply to russia and ukraine?.


I've never heard this. Did you do a school exchange in Minsk or Grozny?

Amongst other things Hitler lost because he delayed the invasion by a month to help the spagheti eaters and he went for moscow capture instead of south east to sieze the oil fields in the Caucasus.

And soldiers - warriors on both sides - would continue to fight each other and die. Oh, no! You convinced me - it was worth it to murder those defensless and unarmed women and children. You Americans really have a peculiar sense of honour.


Your land (more than a million hectares), your companies doing business there, your rare earth and critical minerals agreement deal, and your usual sh*t stirring, and it is Europe that should send their soldiers to fight in Ukraine? Hilarious.

@amiga

Thank you for your valuable Australian point of view. It's interesting to know what people in Australia think. Irrelevant, but interesting.

@Torq
Under your theory, the US should have never entered Europe to protect YOUR LAND, and YOUR PEOPLE. Again another twisted European view. I never claimed there was any honor in those two nukes. Was there honor when the Soviet soldiers were raping women during the war? Or was their honor when the USSR made a deal with Hitler first, and only after Hitler broke the deal did Stalin have a care about anyone else?

US compnaies in Ukraine? Maybe all US companies should leave Europe? Imagine the Polish economy without all the outsourced US jobs. It would be a disaster. Europe wants everything from the US until the US wants something back. The "high and mighty" attitudes of Europeans when looking at Americans is funny. If a bomb fell on Brussels, the first phone call wouldnt be to Spain, Germany, France of the UK. It would be a whimpering politician begging the US to come save Europe once again.

How did they 'protect' Poland?

They even prevented Churchill from using what was left of the army to push east and drive the r*SSians back.


Nobody would notice. Anyway, they'll be outsourced to AI based in India in the blink of an eye.

Well, they never entered Europe to protect anybody. They entered Europe to establish their domination and position as the world's leading superpower. If they stayed at home, like China behind the Great Wall, they would be the China of the West, only not as populous, not as hard-working, and not as smart.


Everything? Hardly. All we want is for you to pack your bags and go back home, so that we can finally do what makes sense--ally ourselves to China and Russia, and finally end the earth-raping, greed-driven American world order. Thank you.

@Torq
Your view of WW2 isnt shared by anyone else. And Europe without the US is a sitting duck one country at a time waiting to be picked off.

What's hilarious (and tragic) is that Ukraine has bent over backwards to meet American demands (signing the fake minerals deal, agreeing to talks, offering to pay for weapons) and TACO just keeps mooning over his fantasy boyfriend and has not stood up to russia at all and still blames Ukraine for not surrendering.

That is complete and utter horsefeathers. Your mad claim has been proven wrong so many times.

About 34 million people served in the Red Army during the second world war, that translates into something like 3400 to 2266 combat divisions assuming a figure of 10000 to 15000 individuals per combat division. The western allies shipped 17.5 million tonnes which according to the us military would equip 60 combat divisions. The equipping of 60 divisions is a one off, it doesnt include replenishment etc.

The western allies didnt fund or supply somewhere between 2800 to 2206 divisions but claim that the 60 divisions they may have supplied won the war.

More to establish it, since they didn't have that before.


He's doing a job far above his ability, and of course some of the appalling characters around him love authoritarianism almost as much as they love making a fast buck.

Compared to who ?

Any of the other 45 presidents

Any of the other leaders of the world's 60 democracies

In other news, a Big Day for russia!

Today they have (according to Ukraine) lost over one million soldiers (killed or wounded)!!!!

x.com/andrii_sybiha/status/1933023843213348915

In an extra dose of irony they achieve this on russia day! And the Trump administration apparently thinks it would be a good idea to send russians a congratulatory message!

x.com/Bricktop_NAFO/status/1933043857974792207/photo/1

Of course kind words from the US just make russians hate that country more.... but whatever.....

@Barney
Maybe educate yourself ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-union-1941-1945/

@PolAmKrakow
The US did not supply enough to equip the divisions fielded by the Soviet Union, being generous they supplied 8% of material. The important things they supplied (as pointed out previously by Bobko) were jeeps and trucks. These shortened the time it took for the red army to defeat the Nazis, without them the Red Army would still have won. The US chose to sit on the Island while the Soviets did the fighting.

@Barney
"Being generous"? WTF are you talking about? Can you not read the itemized list of supplies? Cant keep fighting if you cant feed your army. Cant bomb if you dont have planes. And what are those tanks, planes and jeeps going to run on if not the 2.7 million tons of petrol products? If not for American soldiers D-day would have never happened, and the USSR would not have been able to liberate Europe. Your Russian propaganda is up there with the best though.

Ha ha ha, you mean like sleepy joe and obozo ? Right Ha ha ha

Name six of them without googling them (yip yip yip)

Tell that to the U.S. families that lost their husbands and sons.

@PolAmKrakow
Perhaps you could provide a breakdown of how much equipment is required to field 34 million personnel. The war was won in the east by the Red Army not in France.
General American education must be as bad as portrayed. You also thought that (trying to) change the name of the Gulf of Mexico would invalidate international treaties. Perhaps the Education system in the US is not at fault but that you are one of these "independent thinkers" commonly found on the internet.

A lot more Soviets died but you have no problem downplaying that.

If you are trying to play the sympathy card check out the casualty figures for the siege of Leningrad.

So who won the war in the West in France ?

@johnny reb
Are you another "independent thinker" or an influencer, or is the simple truth that you are really that stupid?

Try to figure out which percent of USSR Air Force planes was domestic made and how many was imported ones in 1945. Supplies from US covered critical period while factories was evacuated from western part of country to safe eastern lands. Later, domestic production recovered and was extended.

US made canned pork was named "second front" by red army soldiers. Slightly sarcastic, but people was really thankful for this supplies.

I wrote about this, and linked archival documents from the website of the State Department and the CIA. Also what historians wrote about it.

The Japanese did not surrender due to two nukes. Overall it did not produce an especial impression on them, especially in contrast to the routine fire bombings of Tokyo that they had been experiencing. They were prepared to keep fighting, and the US had no more nukes left after the first two.

What forced the Japanese into surrender, is when Stalin finally honored his promise and opened the Manchurian Front. For two months Soviet forces travelled East from Europe to the Pacific Ocean.

On August 9th, 1945, the Red Army began the Machurian Offensive Operation against the Japanese Kwantung Army. The largest single fighting formation in the Japanese military. Wiki source:

By 1945, the Kwantung Army consisted of 713,000 personnel, divided into 31 infantry divisions, nine infantry brigades, two tank brigades, and one special purpose brigade. It possessed 1,155 light tanks, 5,360 guns, and 1,800 aircraft.

By August 16th it was destroyed - with the surrender of 500,000 Japanese servicemen. The next stage was the Soviet invasion of Japan from Sakhalin and the Kurils through Hokkaido.

This meant the imminent entry of Japan into the Soviet sphere of influence, just as with Eastern Europe. America felt it could not allow it, and Japan figured it was better to be occupied by America than by the Russians.

Their impending occupation by the Soviets is what forced Japan to rush a surrender.

Stalin was bitterly disappointed. He had reason to believe that the Soviets were owed territorial compensation for their entry into the Pacific War, as per the Yalta agreements. However, on August 18th, U.S. officials informed Stalin that the American position was clear: Japan proper would be occupied solely by the United States, and any Soviet landing on Hokkaido would be regarded as a breach of agreement.

Within a month, the Americans finally made it over themselves and landed in Japan (September). The rest is history.

Fact is - Russians arrived in Japan earlier than the Americans... somehow.

@Barney
Funny, without the fighting in France, and Italy, Russia couldnt focus on their front. You might want to look at war time offense maps before you spout off. No one thought international treaties would be made null you rocket scientist, but it does make the Biden laws concerning the Gulf of Mexico null as they relate to US law. Again, get educated on the facts and laws before talking.

@Velund
The US only helped from 41 to 45, and I have never said Russia wasnt producing their own arms. Russia was losing so many people, it couldnt have been expected to maintain output like it needed. Russia was critical in the WW2 win, I just hate that most of Europe doesnt want to give the US credit for how critical it was. Because Europeans were all but fvcking useless in comparison. Canned pork, I am sure no one wants to think about that.

@Barny

Still waiting for your answer, Barns

@johnny reb
Your edit doesnt make the question any more sensible.

The US was island hopping across the Pacific on their way to Japan. Some of those battles were just crazy. Moving the front from island to island was no small undertaking.

That's just silly, please tell me you dont believe that.