Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22

Trust no. But I believe he would abandon long time partners for the sake of an imaginary friendship with putin... that's easy.

But it was never our war, Johnny. Russia and China are Europe's dream allies - the former has cheap energy that we need, and the latter industrial capacity to fully utilize out technology and know-how. The only reason Europe is at odds with both Russia and China is because she tried to honour her alliance with the USA and help upkeep the American world domination. Perhaps it was a mistake...


Again, without the USA in the equation there is absolutely no reason for Europe to go to any war. It was American lust for power, American expansionism, and American greed that caused all the mess. Do you know companies from which country own the most land in Ukraine (about 1 million hectares altogether, directly or through subsidiaries)? Yip, you guessed it, American companies - NCH Capital, TNA Corporate Solutions, SigmaBleyzer, Cargill, Bunge, ADM, John Deere... I could go on.

It was American unsatiable greed that got us where we are; if an average Chinese consumed as much as an average American, we would need three additional Earths. It is your boundless avarice and rapacity that is raping our planet and driving us all towards extinction. So maybe - just maybe - it was the USA and not the Soviet Union that should have been called the evil empire? Maybe it was the good guys who lost the Cold War not the baddies?

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Johnny.

You are a liar.

This is Estonia for you, you ignorant German:

11 aircraft carrier groups

400 ICBMs

5177 nuclear warheads

...and I just scratching the surface...

All they have to do is call (202) 456-7041 and say: arteekul five, pleeese...

Trump is not gay.

Putin is our best friend. He, at great sacrifice, showed Americans the idiocy of NATO - a useless conglomerate of Barnys and Tacituses...with the US on speed dial...to carry the load and the risks...with zero benefits...

Memo to Euros:

GFY

Sincerely,

US Envoy, Mr. Novi

The US is never going to war for Europe again. Enact Article 5 and the US only needs to send equipment to fill its obligation. Two bailouts of Europe, and 80 years of protection was enough. And still Europeans forget the past while pushing for more.

Your use of the word 'again' might suggest, to people unfamiliar with European history, that America actually went to war for Europe in the past. They didn't.

America joined two world wars in Europe very late, in 1917 and 1944, not "for Europe" but to establish American world domination. What resulted from this domination? See #1052 above.


80 years of enforced domination, with the USA explicitly forbidding Europe to develop her own independent nuclear force. If France hadn't shown the US a middle finger at one point, Europe would have no nukes at all (I'm not counting the British ones, as they obviously have American kill switches).


Here's one of those rare instances where Novichok and I almost agree. Almost.

It is not Europe that has military bases in the USA, but the other way around. It is, therefore, not Europe that needs to f*ck off back home. Meanwhile, we should start working on the European-Russian-Chinese alliance. We, old civilizations, have to stick together against impudent upstarts.

Trumptards really have no idea what they are getting themselves into. :) Oh, well...

*grabs popcorn*

They don't...

Once a Royal Navy Vanguard-class submarine carrying Trident missiles sails from Faslane, it is under British command alone. It is submerged, undetectable, and capable of launching its nuclear payload solely on the order of the UK Prime Minister. There is no American "kill switch," no joint code, no foreign veto.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-the-us-cant-switch-off-the-uks-nuclear-weapons/

No more talk about Trump's failure?


MAGA doesn't have much memory

That's all nice and everything if you really believe all that but my opinion differs from yours.

I could say that for America too, what country couldn't ?

Right, it will be all Trumps fault when Russia starts bombing Germany again.

I would say it was the lazy Europeans that got their own tit in the ringer.
America got fed up with paying Europe's bills for them.
Once the American gravy train stopped Europe found out just how ill equipped they are to fight a war on their own.
Now they can't catch up because Russia is turning out three times the military hardware as all of the European NATO countries put together.
So maybe, just maybe Putin will spare Europe in a world war.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

The "civilized" part of Europe, never even considered that part of the continent where there is a war now to be "Europe".

A Ukrainian has about as much in common with a Frenchman or a Spaniard, as with a person from the Philippines or from Argentina.

I'm glad you used quotation marks there.

Colonization, slavery, French revolution and the first modern genocide in Vendée, WW1 and industrialised slaughter, WW2, nazism, Holocaust of Slavs (first and foremost) and also of Jews - civilized indeed! Western Europeans were also the builders of the United States of America, the only country in the history of the planet to use nuclear weapons against purely civilian targets. Civilized indeed. Noble Rohan and Gondor, at odds with wild orcish hordes from the east. *galactic eyeroll*

@Ironside, Korvinus, Amiga, CMS and other Poles

Remind me again, guys - why are we allied to those c*nts?

So which one was it? "Forbidding" or "middle finger"?

But to make sure about this, you need to press the red button, and pray to die without much pain once retaliatory strike missiles will come.

Rusty orc hardware.

Putler knows well that mutually assured destruction is exactly what its name implies...

For mutually assured destruction you need comparable territory and proportional number of nukes/carriers... All UK nuke arsenals will be enough to destroy few major cities, while portion of russian arsenals will be well enough to sterilise whole island. Even if most heavily rusted orc hardware launched to London will finish at Warsaw or Berlin due to malfunction. ;)

Except you know very well that's not true.

Anyway, with 20% inflation, an aging and dying population and a dictator who hasn't been seen in public except for a few very carefully staged-managed events since last November, he won't be around long enough to try.

And r*SSia can't even protect its warplanes from Ukraine, wherever they hide them...

Exactly as US will have similar troubles to hide their planes from Khouti drones, launched from some motel near some airbase. Especially if it will be fiber optic controlled ones, not vulnerable to control channel jamming.

I will not tell anything about UK, that spent too much to MI6 instead of army during decades.

I suspect that the Americans are well ahead of you in ways that you can't imagine. The major European countries too; did you think they putbthe I,portent stiff in the public domain?

Velund is typical of the idiots that "Believe in Russia".
These people will be sorely disappointed... they can't even beat Ukraine for god's sake!!!

But still has more in common with them than a russian does. And a majority of Argentines are ethnic/genetic Italians (like the recent Pope).

I would really like to know why you say stupid crap like this?

If the rest of the Brits believed that, why not attack Russia and be done in a week or two?

British politicians not yet ready to compete for public positions in English Autonomous Republic that is part of North-Atlantic Federal District of Russia... ;)

Very much so.

They don't have that combination of nihilism and venality that always brings the orcs down in everything they attempt.

This is where you cross the line.

Velund is a Russian patriot and nice enough to patiently take the abuse from morons like you.

Along with other Americans, I wish him, Bobko, and Russia the very best...

Death to NATO, Western warmongers, and Russia haters...

I am sure that very soon they will be voting to join the Russian Federation ... under the condition that the Russian army will stop migrant invasion, deport the scum already in, get rid of that stupid king, make cars drive on the right side, and teach them how to spell "program" and "color".

I have more...

Unfortunately you have

Hilarious when someone says the US joined the two world wars "late". If not for the US coming late, the EU would still be the Third Reich. If not for American men, in both wars, and US lend lease to Russia in the second war, we couldnt have these debates. All the talk about US not allowing Europe their own nukes is pretty funny. Europe didnt want the expense of manufacturing and maintaining nukes. Europe was happyy to rely on the US, and happy to keep US military bases in Europe as a deterant after the second war.

Even with this war in Ukraine, Europe still hasnt built their armies up as they should. Europe still hasnt built up weapons production. Europe is happy to let Ukraine keep fighting as long as they can so Europe doesnt have to get its hands dirty. Everyone cheering Ukraine on has yet to pick up a rifle himself and go volunteer. When Europe sends men, thats when Russia will take Europe seriously. Until then, Russia is swatting away sanctions like flies.

Nonsense.

The entry of the USA into WW1 might have tipped the favour in balance of the Allies but it certainly wasn't a decisive factor. By 1917 the British naval blockade had been cutting off supplies to Germany, leading to economic hardships, food shortages, internal unrest and a declining war effort, whilst Allies had more manpower and resources from their global colonies. Besides, by then the Allies were still formidable and had been preparing for a counteroffensive. British and French forces had shown resilience and had gradually been strengthening their positions, coordinating better and emplying new tactics to make headway against German positions. Germany was f*cked anyway.

As for WW2, you're having a laugh. Soviet Union would have f*cked the 3rd Reich in every possible hole anyway, and I'm not even going to argue here - it's primary school knowledge.


You got everything the other way around. After the end of World War II, the United States held a monopoly on nuclear weapons. This gave the U.S. significant leverage in international affairs, especially in Europe, where many countries were still rebuilding after the war. The U.S. had a clear strategic interest in preventing European countries from pursuing their own independent nuclear capabilities, fearing it could destabilize the balance of power. So, through a combination of diplomacy, military alliances, and geopolitical strategy, America managed to restrain most European countries from developing independent nuclear forces.

So, it wasn't Europe that "didnt want the expense of manufacturing and maintaining nukes" but America that used all sorts of political and economic pressure to make sure it doesn't happen.

The current attitude of the trumpist administration towards NATO renders the Non-Proliferation Treaty void, and it should be ignored by European countries like Finland, Poland and Romania. Those countries should develop their own nuclear forces no matter the cost. Instead of spending billions upon billions on American weapons that can be switched off in case of a conflict anyway, they should develop their own nuclear deterrent.


Erm... why should we send men? To defend YOUR 1 million hectares of Ukrainian land? Have you really missed post #1052? This was was an American affair from the very beginning. It's not our fault that you keep stirring sh*t in Europe.

@Torq
USSR couldnt have done anything in WW2 if not for US Lend Lease. End of story. Just that one little piece of information everyone likes to ignore.

Stop complaining about poolitical pressure on no European nukes. Europe was in no shape to manufacture or maintain nukes after the war, and they were more than happy to let the US do all the heavy lifting. Want to eliminate non proliferation? See how quickly Europe gets invaded by Russia, or they send one little nuke to an EU city. Europe will then STFU because its far too late to change that dynamic. They will beg the US to continue to protect them. NATO? It is useless for the US. Who is going to invade the US other than illegal immigrants? Russia? China? Good fvcking luck.

Europe cant even unite to form an EU military. Every country is out for themselves while claiming to be united in the EU. The idea that Brussles, like DC in the US, can actually control the EU is simply laughable. Brussles? DC? Both are political swamps, neither is better than the other. But its too late for the EU to try to break free of the US. Thats simply a fact.

As for the history lesson, imagine no D-day, and no Pacific theater. Then imagine Russia without hardware from the US. Your imagination now should have a German accent.