Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 22

I think you don't understand what PolAm what to say, as he is a poor communicator, or hasn't even formulated it in his mind and is groping in the dark for the right words to express his half-formed thoughts.
I try to be a self-appointed spokesperson for the dude because I feel sorry for him as you pile on him with everything every time he posts.
He is saying that the economy and demography make it certain that Ukraine will lose to Russia in the war of attrition because Russia can take more punishment than Ukraine and still fight.
So PolAm thinks that while the US backs up Ukraine, it is high time for Ukraine to cut its losses and to come to some peaceful accommodation with Russia.
Even if that would be only a temporary solution, and even if it means losing half of the territory to Russia.
All is better because the US won't be supporting Ukraine indefinitely.
As Ukraine on its own, even if it keeps fighting for another three years or even six, will lose to Russia.
The above is an argument PolAm would make if he knew how.
I hope I moved this argument forward, and we won't go back to this childish back-and-forth without really addressing the crux of the matter.

A peaceful accommodation

With North Nigeria ?

Good luck with that

If they don't, we all must.

What is NATO for if not to deal work the threat that is r*SSia?

And why should Ukraine be expected to give in to force?

PAK wrote this:

Russia hit Ukraine with the largest combined drone and missile attack of the whole war last night.

So much for Russia running out of weapons and technology. Ukraine sure kicking the $hit out of Russia.

Meanwhile Russia also has amassed more than 50K men outside of Kharkiv. Yep, gonna run out of men any day now along with weapons.

In perfect English and clear as the Liberty Bell...adjusting for easy-to-decode sarcasm...

Hey, Iron, you owe PAK an apology...

This is from me: U will lose because we don't give a fvck about it anymore.


I am so proud of you.

I understand what he's saying. I only pile on him because he kept saying Trump was going to stop the war and Trump has failed to do so.

The situation is also a bit different. While russia has more population they're not as motivated and their economy is hanging by a thread. Rumors of banks freezing accounts and other stuff are flying. russia doesn't even release most economic figures anymore but everybody agrees it's currently crap on a stick...

Ukraine is gambling, among other things, that the russian economy could breakdown before the russian government realizes what is happening... russians in general are not good with money or budgets. There's also the specter of the end of consumer loans (without which most russians are up sh[t creek).

A complicated situation...

Trup's hand may well be forced.


This is a wise approach. Total breakdown may not come, however when the food gets short, things happen.

It also seems that Putler is attacking the homes of foreign heads of government. In a weird and symbolic way since very little damage is done and they don't try to hide it that much.

I think it could.... and the russian government is notoriously ignorant of (and indifferent to) how the masses live and could find collapse happening before they realize it. Not a sure thing but, fairly good chances especially if oil prices tank... (no factor has restricted them in the past nearly as much as oil prices).

Nothing simpler. Step back and let two ex-Soviet republics fight it out on their own. Do that and this war will be over in a matter of months.

No, Putin is not going for Lisbon.


You are insulting yourself by posting stupid crap like this...

Post what you can support, not what percolates in your brain after three shots.

Let's suppose that the Novis here predicting the collapse of Ukrainian manpower since February 2022 finally got it right. Let's suppose that RU wins.

Will Russia become a great power with a sphere of influence? Will it get all strategic objectives, including recognition of occupied territories? No. Almost the entirety of Ukraine's population would choose to leave over living under the most humiliating(removal of decomunization laws), security-economic-crippling (demilitarization destroying its economy far more than Versailles) capitulation conditions in human history. And the Ukraine diaspora will continue to work day and night to expose Russian crimes to the world. Think about how the Cuban diaspora never allowed the US to remove the embargo. Multiply it tenfold and tenfold.

Even if somehow Russia wins this war, it will be a North Korea-style pariah state and CCP puppet state. Wouldn't be a great power.

As a Russia hater, Russia winning should be your dream.

You and others here are so fvcked in you logic that it ls hard to keep up....so could you please bollom-line it for me:

All things considered...Do you want Russia to win and become a pariah?

Is the Trump administration finally waking up?



unn.ua/en/news/immediately-cease-fire-trumps-representative-reacted-to-the-russian-shelling-of-ukraine

... and it looks like Trump himself has finally managed to grope his way out of Putin's anus...


newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/trump-says-putin-has-gone-absolutely-crazy-1748226970.html

@Ironside
Fvck off.

@mafketis
I do not believe a negotiated peace, even if temporary is a surender. I believe there comes a point when politicians owe the people the right to determine what they want to happen. This is after all the alleged fight for democracy, or isnt it? Truth be told, if Ukraine let its men leave the country legally, this war would already be over. The majority of men do not want to fight or risk death for invisable borders. Most women want their men home alive. Children want their fathers home.

Ukraine could be speeding toward EU membership as soon as the war ends. Will Russia attack an EU member if that member has security agreements with the rest of the EU? I doubt it. Ukraine will never be part of NATO, and with that off the table, there is less for Russia to be concerned with.

War financing will not go on indefinitely. Ukraine will eventually run out of money and men. Save the men, and start building a modern country. If this were really a war about democracy, the EU would have men fighting. Its not about democracy. Its about maintaining the world order that the west dominates, and a strong Russia disrupts. Anyone believing the bvllshit the western press keeps putting out about the Russian economy being on the verge of collapse clearly cant see straight. Putin is dying. Bla bla bla. Trump was talking too much and doing too little. Z is past his expiration date. Putin is not as smart as he thinks he is. Equal criticism for all.

North Nigerian "men" are not allowed to leave the country either

And yes North Nigeria would attack an EU member. They know full well the EU has no military command structure

What sort of negotiated peace do you think is possible if the NN Nazis state their intentions go beyond the land they already captured ?

One problem is that American politicians love talking the talk more than walking the walk. They've found out here that they don't necessarily get what they want, and that the various European leaders are the adults in the room.

The European approach, to bleed r*SSia slowly, as Europe is doing, is not something made up randomly from soundbites. Putler is running rings around them.


They push boundaries and will push that one, trying something on a smaller country who they think won't trigger Article 5.

@cms neuf
Russian men are not only allowed, but have no problem leaving. We have processed dozens of visa's for Russians over the last three years without issue, other than in Poland and a few other countries.

What peace is possible? I think giving up any claim to Crimea and letting the other provinces remain independent gets it done. I think that brings ten years or more of peace to Ukraine. Plenty of time to get into the EU and for the EU to arm itself. Russia is not going to attack anyone in NATO as long as the US is in NATO and as long as Trump is president.

PAK of course means letting r*SSia win.


In 10 years' time? He won't be there in 4.

I agree but a negotiated peace takes two and russia doesn't want peace. Trump has completely failed to exert any kind of influence on them (and seems unwilling to exert any pressure on russia).

What now?

Naive well-meaning person:

"putin is not the russian people" or "I love russian culture!"

meanwhile, russian culture*:

x.com/nexta_tv/status/1926953588607049943

*in the socio-anthropological meaning of the word.

I believe Trump has two choices. Pull out of Ukraine completely and let Russia break through the front lines and take the whole country, or, give Ukraine so much ammunition and missiles that Russia cannot counter the attack. Similar to "Shock and Awe". Imagine a huge attack on the 50K men getting preprared outside of Kharkiv. Might make people want to talk. I agree though Trump shouldnt have gotten involved unless he had a real plan, and that ground work should have been laid before taking the oath of office. I didnt believe it would be solved in a day, but six months is enough time.

And Trump goes down as an absolute failure as president.... remember, russia is building up military on the Finnish border and around the Suwalki Gap.

At times I think maybe Trump is starting to get an idea like here:

x.com/visegrad24/status/1926899748016939180

But he still seems to think he can reason with russia.... (the hands fall....)

reuters.com/world/europe/lithuania-germanys-merz-says-nato-allies-determined-defend-territory-2025-05-22/

...."Protecting Vilnius is protecting Berlin," he added, telling a crowd of cheering onlookers waving paper flags for the two nations that Lithuanians could count on Germany....

I hope the Lithuanians feel better now.....but at least Merz is doing "something"!

Thank you for this. I don't know where CMS gets his news.

People in Russia that cannot leave the country or require permission to do so:

1) Persons with access to state secrets. Depending on the level of secrecy, you are restricted from leaving for either 5 or 10 years from the moment you had viewed the secret document.

2) People who had received a military summons.

3) People under criminal investigation.

4) People against whom there is a court order restricting travel.

5) Persons that had provided false information on travel documents.

6) Persons that work at FSB

7) Bankrupt persons

8) Persons below the age of 18.

So if the sh*t hits the fan, we have Lithuanians with Germans securing our northern flank and Ukrainians with Slovaks on the southern.

I suppose I should feel rather safe now.

Don't you! :)

But my...Torqi....the german army has come really a long way!

..telling a crowd of cheering onlookers waving paper flags for the two nations...

*shakes head*

Germany and Poland have come a long way too!

Only 80 years back - not that long ago (Novi was already around) - Russians and Poles took Berlin together, and today Germans and Poles stand shoulder to shoulder to repel the coming Russian onslaught. History is a strange lady indeed.

@mafketis
Trumps Presidency being a success will not be influenced by Ukraine or even partly determined by Ukraine. The American people are tired of Ukraine. As long as US problems are solved thats all that will matter.

@Bobko
Visa's and processing are part of my business. There are very few restrictions, and if you run into restrictions a quick trip to Turkey or Cyprus and problems solved in 30 days or less. The US, Canada and most of Europe are open to russian people one way or another. The whole sanctions are effecting Russia and its people is really quite a fairy tale. I met with Russians in Paris a few weeks ago, and had a few at one of our events in Detroit a week ago. Sanction them more, and see how quickly they get around them.

...yeah...one can't help but wonder!

Shhh... don't tell the Poles, but a large percentage of Russians receive their US visas in Warsaw.

The US embassy in Poland even maintains a page in Russian, aimed at providing guidance for applicants.

Source: pl.usembassy.gov/pl/visas-pl/nonimmigrant-visas-pl/foreigners-rus/

The General Consulate in Krakow has only English and Polish speaking staff, but the Embassy in Warsaw has Russian speakers (according to the page above).

Warsaw processes more visas for Russians, than Astana (Kazakhstan) or Tbilisi (Georgia).

Given that serving in their orc army is a death sentence de, no wonder so many are fleeing.

CMS, geographically challenged Russia hater creates his own and argues with them.