Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 20

You should not be saying that about Trump.........



So true and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

He was overall the better choice over Harris... but that doesn't mean he's doing a good job, especially in foreign policy.

I ain't the one doing the licking, retard.

Rich, he has a strong point.You are the Russian bootlicker here, even more so than some Russian posters.

And for a very good reason...

Just compare what is at stake for Russia and, on the other side, for the US. Nothing...Just unhappy MICC warmongers.

Plus, Russia's objectives are simple and well justified. Ours are like yours but we can't admit or else Trump is Putin's puppet.


Whose foreign policy? The US or the EU's?

We are very happy with Trump's foreign policy, best depicted by his middle finger to you, parasites...

Just keep on licking those Russian boots..........

Basically some people, weak people, fetishise power and violence.


Kamala Harris could have been much better than trump. Would have been. People pick every fault they can with progressive politicians yet tolerate the most appalling cuntiness from conservative ones. Hard to know why; maybe fear and stupidity.


The various judges did that. Never be afraid of the truth.

Russia is not violent enough. That's why this bullshit war is now in its forth year.

The US and Russia should together finish it in a couple of weeks, save 1 million men from dying, and push the doomsday clock back to where it should be...

BTW, how much fun did you, British warmongers, have killing Iraqis after your American pimps told you to?

Did you, British wh*res, at least ask why you should be killing people who did you no wrong?

Or even too violent.


Those bastards started it

Don't be too certain about that.If indeed Russia can launch missiles at the UK they can launch them at the USA,... if they do that, the response will be the same, armagedon in Russia!


How can you say that with a straight face! Russia started this war for no reason other to gain territory.


We British are not warmongers.As you have implied, we were simply supporting our American pimp warmongers.
You really do hate America don't you.... Russia is your true love.... so move there!


Indeed, the Russian bastards started it and need to be punished.

No.

That war was started in 2014 in Kiev.

Try to replace a US-friendly regime next door and see what happens.


Name another place that is more secure than the US.


What does that have to do with "Russia is not violent enough"? Do read what write before posting?

You are correct. Russia is so straving for land it's planning to invade Monaco.


That makes you worse. Warmongers do what they do habitually for a buck. Wh*res are just immoral bootlickers. It's you, Brits.


Sue 'em.

Do you hear that noise from Moscow? That's Putin trembling in his shoes...

Did you ever correctly predict the future according to your prediction? I don't recall. I am anxiously waiting for your response. In the meantime, may I call you an Oracle, or would you prefer a snake oil salesman?

Kamala Harris could have been much better than trump

No, she would not. She is a DEI freak. Biden himself said that.

Next time, put that e-dick away and provide specifics.

The world would be different.

Interesting how there have been no new attacks on energy infrasstructure. Shocking isnt it, how little deals can begin to bring bigger deals to the table. But of course we know all the deal makers here on PF will come out and say "just wait", or "you will see". Fvcking moronic.

As for the Russians playing Trump, I dont see it that way. When you want out of something you look for the cleanest way out. Trump and the US want out of Ukraine. He got a lot of flack for cutting off aid, and intelligence, but it brought Ukraine back to the table. He is looking for the Nobel prize, and doesnt GAF about Ukraine or Russia. When you understand that not only is Trump a New Yorker, but does business deals that are always in his eyes, in his favor, then you know what you are dealing with. His actions are producing results when it comes to tariffs, and this limited cease fire is no small deal in the big picture of the war.

Not one other EU leader was willing to speak to Vlad other than Orban. No one in the EU wanted to talk peace. Starmer the mental midget wants more sactions, and Marcron the actual midget wants to up the anty and talk about what happens if peace keepers were attacked after a cease fire. These are not men of peace, they are men who want to continue irritating Russia and undermining the peace process. All the great negotiators and statesmen here would have this war going on another five years.

@Bobko
Yes. The war did start in 2014. Everyone pretty much admits it now. Pretty obvious the CIA was involved when you actually do any investigating and reading aboue things more than a decade later. But you know, truths can be inconvenient to current narratives.

Like that one - Americans are ill-suited to negotiate with Russia.
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I'm sure you don't you are an American.
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I know Trump knows it, Russians know it, everybody knows it and that is a problem.
Because you will cut corners sell cheaply what doesn't belong to you and live a mess in the region open to Russian invasion or takeover.

Let Trump surprise me. If not, it means that what everybody is saying is true. He is ( allegedly, let's wait for the result) selling out Ukraine no matter how nice you package it for domestic consumption it is still BS.

@Ironside
Call it BS. Thats fine. Again, Ukraine is not the responsibility of the United States or its citizens. WTF does everyone not understand. They are not NATO, or EU. They are as corrupt a nation as they come. Watch how many billions end up missing, and how many weapons are on the black market from Ukraine. They are every bit as dirty as Russia. The only problem is the west got in bed with them in 2014.

Call me an American, ok. I live in Poland though and want whats best for Poland. And what is best for Poland is a strong relationship wth the US independent of NATO or the EU. Anyone saying otherwise wants to see all the US companies, like Amazon, Intel and others leave and take all those jobs with them. Whats best for Poland is a strong US military presence throughout the country.

Stablity in the region is the responsibility of the US, and like it or not Ukraine is a part of the puzzle here.
You can't throw toys out of the parm if you are no longer interested in playing.
You are not an F child but an Empire and you have responsibility or else **** off to kindergarten and deceive adults in the room no longer.
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Isn't that a different issue?
What more for the same American taxpayers who want nothing to do with Ukraine, Poland or any other foreign country is on that list too.
As long as the day is sunny and there are bucks to be made - no problem. When there are rainy days ahead - no so kin any longer. You know I'm right.

It's the responsibility the region. Right now the Yanks are doing more harm than good.

Its like you say Russia is responsible for situation in Texas or Canada.

Brate, I know few wh**es who sound more reasonable then you are.

Are Texans really Serbians? And if not, then why not?

Only those privileged are Serbians.

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Hordes and hordes of monsters needs to hunt you down because you are child of the White Garden and Svetovid, and you needs to survive despite all odds, killing monsters, never to kill enough. With only Poles and Russians on your side.

How does being a New Yorker qualify someone to solve a European war between Nazi drunks and the innocent invaded country ?

My ex is a New Yorker and she is the last person I would send to negotiate peace

Golden Cow had achieved nothing except a small prisoner swap and it's no wonder this bloated fool has now turned his attention to bullying Denmark rather than deal with an intransigent Putler (or, crazy idea, start to improve the US economy which was doing ok until he showed up).

Everybody is. Everything goes back to sevua somehow, including all languages.


Most of them get lost if they go further than Atlantic City or Long Island.

Indeed

If U.S and Russia want nuclear disarmament they shouldn't take it likely when breaching security guarantees they promised to upkeep.

Like promising a store to be it's bodyguards if the store manager sells his rifles, grenades and TNT boxes.

Then two decades later one robs the store after a family dispute while other watches and badmouths but, does not step in.

Who would ever want or hire those two bodyguards again or even think about disarming?

So my company is not responsible for paying that invoice you sent me if we change CEO?

@cms neuf
Obviously you dont understand New Yorkers.

@Ironside
Ukraine is not in NATO or the EU. It was not condered "part of the region" until the EU decided to say it was. Saying the US has a responsibility is accurate. But that responsibility means that it first must take care of itself. If it does not get rid of the evil elements within, how can it help anyone else. That whole throwing stones and glass houses saying comes to mind.

As for the business side, yes, free market economies can be brutal. But trade done on even scales, can be so fruitful that it could lead to some countries saying fvck the EU agreements, we are making our own. And if Poland wanted eternal trading sunshine with the US, it would only take making itself an equal trading partner. Want to see business boom, and more US companies paying higher wages in Poland? Thats the quickest way to make it happen. Wnat military protection from the US? Have US business in Poland and the military will never leave. Tell me I am wrong.

@amiga500
Your analogy makes no sense. The US changed CEO's and doesnt owe Ukraine any invoices. If the US owed anyone I would say it has to be paid, but the facts are that the US doesnt owe Ukraine a thing or a dollar.

I think after living there, working with them and marrying one I get the general idea

Their general negotiation style is aggressive bluffing and it's possible to outwit them by being well prepared and obstinate. Putler worked that out many years ago

The New York style means everything is negotiable.

In general, it's interesting to me, when talk touches on regional American differences. There's this famous tech investor, Paul Graham, and he runs a personal website where he's been publishing essays for the last twenty years. One of the essays is about American cities:

paulgraham.com/cities.html

For Graham, the message from NYC is: "New York tells you, above all: you should make more money. There are other messages too, of course. You should be hipper. You should be better looking. But the clearest message is that you should be richer."

In New York, money is God.

In Boston, the message is "You should be smarter". This is the influence of all the universities - MIT. Harvard, etc. The same to a degree in San Francisco.

In LA the message is, "You should be more famous."

In DC the message is, "You should be more connected."

But coming back to New York... I think for a real New Yorker there never exists such a concept as a "definite refusal". "No" means "maybe", and "maybe" means "yes". New York despises weakness, and it tramples over the meek.

In that sense, Trump is very New York.

But there are many non negotiables in life

Sovereignty is one of them.

Why Golden Cow thinks he can negotiate another country's sovereignty away is a mystery and needs a slightly deeper explanation than the fact that he lives somewhere in the East 60s.