Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 20

But fvck Trump and the US right?

And Putin now likes the potential for peace and wants further discussion. Yeah, Trump is terrible for the world. Fvck the US, and Europe will break free from all the problems the US has created. Eye roll

You seem very angry. I don't invest emotionally in politicians. I criticize actions I don't like (like suspending aid to Ukraine) praise those I do (like cutting the EU of from russian oil) and stay quiet when I'm not sure what's going on (like the weird performance piece by Trump, Zelenskyy and Vance).

I've long said to not pay attention to what Trump says but pay attention to actions. This is a very good thing so congratulations to him.

Going forward it's important to not trust russia to uphold its end of any deal it makes (which is why security guarantees with teeth are needed, to keep them in their place).

I'm wondering if the Oval Office kayfabe and suspension of aid was to give ukraine plausible deniability for getting out of Kursk (which it didn't want anyway, the reason for taking some of it was to show just how little russian 'red lines' actually mean). But I don't expect credible confirmation or denial of that any time soon.

So... this action by Trump double plus good!

Let's see the next step.

Nobody told you to suspend aid to Ukraine so you are free to continue or even double it.

A dead man walking has no other options than to trust when told to surrender or die.

What an azzhole...

The USA is about to reinstate aid to Ukraine.


You are the azzhole for not seeing the big picture.

Isn't the aid from the EU enough?

[quote=Miloslaw]You are the azzhole for not seeing the big picture.[/quot
I see it very well.

Your fvcking war. Not our problem. That's the big picture.

If that's your opinion, then you are definitely not seeing the big picture......do you really not see how important Europe is to the USA????

I will ask the 250,000 dead Americans when I visit Europe next time.

Lower that figure to 135,000 and then note that the British military lost over 380,000.

Get your facts right before posting BS.

Quoting:

According to the US Department of Defense, of the 407,316 dead, about 250,000 were killed in the European theater, the remaining 160,000 died in the Pacific War.

Your facts are wrong.And even if they were correct, more British soldiers died in that war than Americans.
Stop trying to "Big Up" America in Europe in WW2.You and I know that it was the Russians that won the war......
And they never asked the Brits for any payback,unlike the Yanks who wanted their land lease loans paid back, which we finally did in 2006!

According to the US Department of Defense, of the 407,316 dead, about 250,000 were killed in the European theater,
If you, Euro morons, did start that war, 250,000 Americans wouldn't have died in Europe.

@Novichok

If you repeat a lie over and over again, some idiots will come to believe it.

Payback for what? You don't need to pay anything back; payback for nothing is zero.Are you hitting on Pawians jablecznik?

If my source, the US Department of Defense lies, post yours.

From Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

United States 407,300 (250,000 died in the European theater)

250,000 too many. I wouldn't send my terminally sick dog to Europe to die for you, azzholes...

Instead, I would be selling guns and ammo to both sides until you are out of money or dead.

BTW, I object to "theater". Nuthouse...Two fvcking world wars 20 years apart, with the third one in the making. Fvck you, Euros...

@mafketis
There are several people here that like to talk $hit about Trump and the US. They like to say the US has the responsibility for Europe or Ukraine defense, but then they call Trump names, or say things that are anti US. Its tiring, and irritating. All the "we dont need the US" and the name calling is childish and frankly stupid.

What do tariffs have to do with this war? Tariffs are the new way forward for the US, or a return to the old way that built the US. And the EU cannot compete with or against the US. So, Europe will either make it so the trade is balanced, or the US will choke off Europe from the richest and largest economy in the world. This will also happen with the military in Europe. Like Canada tariffs on US agriculture goods ranging between 260 and 490%, the VAT in Europe is just another tariff on US goods. Its not about champagne, its about regular wine, cars and more, and Europe cannot afford to lose the American market. Europe cannot arm itself or build its armies without money, and that money comes from taxes and tariffs. France wine sales alone to the US, 4 billion dollars. Italy 2 billion and its 24% of all their sales. The US accounts for 31% of all European wine sales. All of this is connected.

US tariffs are evil azzholes never mention this...

If they did, they would make Trump's tariffs look like pocket change...

Back to topic.

What we see now is that the USA refuse to follow papacy and western Europe into Drang Nach Osten. To avoid nuclear war with Russia. So now we see where is the source of problem, the source of aggression. Vatican, that is financial guild, and coordination body, penetrates its influence and then comes the ``knights``. Old recipe.

But, times changed.

Yes, go pray about it....and light a candle for peace and for the Pope to live a little longer.

There is the merit in your words. I know about Francis. He is opposition to hard maniacal line around him. So, I hope he is well.

:)

Oh, dear... have mercy on me, Barno, this is too funny. Which country in the world history do you know that had a "doctrine of unprovoked first strike"? Well, maybe the Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan... maybe.

Even a complete and utter sickf*ck like Hitler claimed that his invasion in 1939 was necessary to protect ethnic Germans living in Poland, and it was provoked by horrible Polish persecutions of Volksdeutsche, as well as Poland enacting hostile policies against Germany, plotting with their enemies in France and Britain, probably planning an invasion of Germany, and conducting acts of sabotage along the Polish-German border, provoking constant skirmishes against Wehrmacht (among them the famous "Gleiwitz incident"). A necessary preemptive strike, you see. Definitely not unprovoked. :)


Are you reading this, Barney Whiz?

Bobko has just told you that Russia was ready to unleash all hell on unsuspecting Italians - while they were eating their pasta or enjoying nice time in a bordello - not because Italians did anything to provoke it, but because of what America might or might not do.

Bobi is an incredibly honest man (engages in Maskirovka rather rarely) - read what he writes with understanding. Oh, and read the books he recommends about Russia - he is very honest in this regard as well.

@Bobko

The book's f*cking brutal but extremely well written and - don't judge me - also funny! :) I appreciate the recommendation. Asked you about books to understand Russia and you recommended this and a book about "Wild West" Russian early 90s capitalism and corruption (and some people here still think you're a hurray-patriot who idolises his country). I can now tell you that I had full intention of ignoring the older books but now I'm definitely getting them too. :)

His "honesty" is a type of maskirovka....

He's Vladimir Pozner II.

And you're @jayinkiyiv Jnr.

Russia Ready for Ceasefire (Under these Conditions)-Putin. West throws a tantrum, their reaction.

No, as always you numbers are incorrect

The US is 31 precent of exports, not 31 percent of sales. Europe's domestic markets for wine are far larger per head than the US where wine is treated with open suspicion anywhere that is not on the coast.

Of course Europe could not win a military conflict with the US, but it can certainly win a trade war. It has a higher population and a higher spending power and higher exports. I don't know why golden cow went down this route - because he keeps escalating and then backing down, and it makes him look weak and unprepared. Also exposes the fact that his own cabinet and advisors clearly don't speak for him. Everything is sorted out in personal phone calls between him and the other party. Which is why Putler is also trying to do the same.

Thats kinda my point.


There is a really great series of documentaries produced by the BBC called Trauma Zone. It uses an almost art house approach to documentary making or perhaps a gonzo journalism description may be better. Adam Curtis takes all the BBC archive footage (broadcast and not) cuts it up splices it together to tell his take on the collapse of both communism and democracy in the Soviet Union. It takes a while to get into as at first the sequence of clips appear unrelated and there is no spoken narrative. After a while about 10 or 15 minutes it becomes clear what he is doing with all the footage he has. I think its a really great piece of long form documentary making.

The whole series is on youtube if you dont have access to iplayer.

youtube.com/watch?v=ke600MgW1F0

Oh. OK... maybe I misunderstood. I though that our entire argument started from me saying that Russia will attack NATO and you saying that they won't because of their inherently peaceful nature and no aggressive war plans (or something to that effect). A matter of miscommunication apparently.


I'll check it out, thanks!

@Torq
It goes both ways.

Please do check out the documentary it wont waste your time.

Adam Curtis is awesome, especially The Century of the Self

@cms neuf
The worst thing about arguing anything with you is that you dont know how google works. Try it. You might learn something. nytimes.com/2025/03/13/us/politics/trump-tariffs-wine-champagne-france.html

bbc.com/news/articles/c984pnedd6do

European Union Trade Summary

U.S. total goods trade with the European Union were an estimated $975.9 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to the European Union in 2024 were $370.2 billion, up 0.7 percent ($2.6 billion) from 2023. U.S goods imports from the European Union totaled $605.8 billion in 2024, up 5.1 percent ($29.4 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with the European Union was $235.6 billion in 2024, a 12.9 percent increase ($26.9 billion) over 2023.

Europe cannot compete with the US in a trade war. That is simply a fact that even the EU leaders understand. A 50% tariff on US whiskey? OK. A 200% tariff on all European alcohol sales and Ireland $hit itself because their whole industry would collapse. Europe will either do fair trade deals with the US, identical tariffs each way, or it will lose, and all of us here will be paying a lot more for everything. This goes for cars, parts, technology, clothes, computer software and everything else Europeans have grown accustomed to.

Everything Trump has said he would do is being done. This includes being the only world leader to start talking about a way to end the war. While all the other liberal left fvcktards want to keep the war going. What happens if the US steps out? Ukraine collapses because the EU cant replace the US. Funny how every EU leader says this but PF posters cant seem to understand it. Maybe its time to stop criticizing the US for things and be a little more thankful.

So you are saying in a long and winding way that there could be factors in case of the Russian aggression that would prevent the US from sending boots on the ground to defend Poland.
I guess your take is significant in case Polish expectations (i.e., the US fighting Russia for Poland in its defence).
However, for me, it is rather apparent that there could be a number of factors that might render the US direct military intervention questionable.
As you wrote, this is so in the case of military aid or air support, for example.
I'm pointing out yet another factor some people tend to overlook.
I mean a characterological trait that Trump has would indirectly prevent Russia from aggression against NATO countries.
Russia has a good understanding of other countries including the psychological profile of their leaders.
Russia never attacks a country until they are certain they're going to win.
Trump is a risk factor here because he might not like that someone would F with him as he might take Russia's presumed aggression.
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Also, some people do not understand that Russia wouldn't attack Poland that easily for the number of reasons.
We know it that they want Poland to be in their sphere of interest,, but it doesn't equate to military invasion, they would rather achieve it by other means.
They would attack if Poland defended the Baltic states or if Poland or NATO would display a particularly poor defensive challenge.
(what do you think Bobko?)