Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19

All those was in first decades of national nuclear programs in corresponding countries. ;)

Do you think Poland is so exclusive so it is completely insured against incidents and employee mistakes in first years of real military nuclear program? ;)

I don't think nukes in Poland are needed for that lol RuSSians can think of any other pretext/excuse, just like they did in order to invade Ukraine.

Having such allies as we do, nukes would be the only 100% deterrent against RuSSia - that's the sad reality, I'm afraid...

How difficult can it be Velund ? If a bunch of dipsomaniac 1940s engineers in the UNNR could manage it then surely Poland could.

Alternatively we can just buy some from India or Israel - already happens in software so why not in another advanced industry ? Trump wants us to pay our own way and I would be glad to chip in a few zloty of my taxes for some nukes

Facilities with nukes will be primary targets in case of any incident between Russia and NATO. Not deterrent, but guarantee of nuclear strike.

Which percentage of territory Poland is ready to assign to "no go zones" for next 300 years (until 137Cs and 90Sr fallouts will decay to relatively safe levels)?


Start trying....

After the public spat I've just watched on TV with Trump and Vance acting like a complete pair of bullies toward Zelensky, I'll be amazed if anything is signed by the end of the day. Zelensky couldn't get a word in edgewise.

There was simply no need to treat him like that in front of the world's press. I'm shocked.

The difference is that NN nukes don't work - they are rusty pieces of soviet era ****. Poland will be able to buy state of the art stuff from Israel - we only need a few !

Gangsters.

Simplifies decision making for the Russians, though, which enemy to take out first. I'd rather prefer a joint European solution instead of allowing each country its own nukes. You never know what politician will be in charge next year. A Germany with nukes and under the control of the AfD, what could go wrong?

Except for the fact Russia has over 5,000 nuclear war heads that would wipe Poland off the map.
They have them scattered throughout Russia, in submarines around the world, in long range aircraft, on ICBM's.
Sorry, but Poland can't compete with that.

For anyone that hasn't seen what I was talking about in post #755:

x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1895527936939487722

Trump & JD Vance vs. Zelensky

Finally the American people have a President and administration that they can actually be proud of.

JR I am surprised at you - the state of Michigan has a lot of firepower, as do the gangs of Detroit - and that is why you probably have a deterrent to protect yourself (and see off the coyotes)

We just need nukes to defend ourselves - because the US has said their taxpayers don't want to any more

I mean we all knew that Trump and Vance had no class. But that meeting today must have been a low point in the diplomatic history of the USA. I'd be so embarassed if I was an US American right now. To treat the leader of a country that is currently fighting for its' survival so appalling is just shameful.

They will be also the primary targets in RuSSia, but somehow RuSSia isn't getting rid of its nukes because of that :D


I don't know - maybe we should ask North Korea? :D


Oh no, good God... I've turned on the news and apparently it's a catastrophe...

Poland doesn't want to "compete" with that. I think I explained the absolute necessity of Poland having nukes here...

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-aid-ukraine-russia-invades-part-88794/24/#msg2016966

... their purpose is to make sure that partitions, enslavement, concentration camps and all the Untermenschen stuff doesn't repeat itself. About 200 deployed strategic warheads would ensure that none such things will ever happen again. Why? Simple - Poland is not worth the destruction that those warheads would cause to the invaders.

And all jokes aside, this is not negotiable. The international legal order was thrown to the trash bin; rule based order, peace treaties, alliance deals, guarantees - all toilet paper. In the world that Putin and Trump created we all need nukes.


0_0 ... seriously, WTF? It looked like a PF thread live, not an international diplomatic meeting.

@Europeans

Guys, please, I know it will be painful but let's tighten our belts, make necessary sacrifices, beef up our nuclear and conventional forces and finally thank our American friends kindly for their presence in Europe and wish them all the best in their future endeavours away from the European continent. Please.

I've never seen anything like it. Absolutely terrible behaviour.


See my post 760 to watch the low-class bullies in action.....

I cannot imagine any half-decent person watching this and not becoming staunchly pro-Ukrainian. What were Trump and this other half-wit thinking? Surely they can't be THAT retarded.

That would be great, but would the complacent Western Europe go for that?


But we could go with a bang :))))


Thanks, I'll watch it in a moment, I'm watching the news right now :/

Are poles ready to lower their living standards to north korean level to get and be able to support this indefinitely?

I can't watch it. I really can't!

Big, huge lesson for Europe. Ditch any hopes of alliance with USA.

I don't think it would require that much of a drop in living standards. However, if it does, then yeah - being poor and hungry is still better than being a slave (or seeing your family exterminated).

Britain, France and Israel have nukes but also manage living standards far higher than the poor saps in rural North Nigeria

Your living standards are approaching that, however Poland's economy is very much on the up. This can be budgeted for, however if there are cuts, as Torq says,
most people will live with that for the sake of security and freedom.

You are outgunned my friend.
Unless Poland plans on getting 5,000 nukes too.

I guess I used the wrong choice of words.
I meant that since Russia has over 5,00 nukes scattered throughout the world that it would take Poland quite awhile if ever to balance that playing field.

You're not wrong!


God only knows but I really don't think they've done themselves or their country any favours with that performance.

Trump, in my opinion, is nothing more than a narcissistic dictator who surrounds himself with sycophants and is now really showing his true colours.


Oh but they are. Waiting for the backlash......

This is a tough watch - Vance is a complete cretin. Makes Trump seem almost reasonable

But really both Trump and Vance are unprepared, unprofessional, like small children

Trump kicked him out of the White House.

Zelensky will probably go back to playing the piano with his cock.

Best of all, all of the MAGA crowd are falling for "strong leadership" and this is fantastic for them.
😁

There are two things that stand out to me - why do this crap in front of camera? Have a meeting behind closed door and go out with either yes or no.
Two- all the reports were talking about the deal as a done thing. Zelensky was supposed to come just to sign the papers...

Like Putler, the Trump and Vance morons underestimated Zelensky.

What they all have in common is that they are surrounded by yes men, they can't debate with someone who disagrees or points out the truth.

But yes it is nuts to do it on camera.

Terrible moment for Vance - he is trying to asset some authority because of Musk's influence but he performed so poorly in that forum

However, not by Russia. It would be the last resort or retaliatory limited strike. Hitting Poland with nukes, Russia would block itself in. I would be more afraid of a friendly fire.
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I don't know about other countries and don't care that much, but in case of Poland it is true.