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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 18


gumishu  15 | 6228
12 Jan 2025   #361
why are you debasing

you somehow feel you have the right to debase whoever you want, it seems
pawian  222 | 26338
12 Jan 2025   #362
whoever you want

No, I only debase shweine devoid of morals. I do it without hate, only for educational purposes. That`s a whale of a difference. Ha!!!
Vesko Vukovic  - | 149
12 Jan 2025   #363


Russia Crushes Kursk Offensive: Ukrainian Forces Encircled and Trapped! | Scott Ritter
jon357  72 | 23104
12 Jan 2025   #364
Crushes Kursk Offensive

Except of course they haven't and your BS video is just that, BS.

Scott Ritter

Is that the convicted paedophile or another r*SSia shill coincidentally called Scott Ritter?
OP PolAmKrakow  3 | 881
13 Jan 2025   #365
edition.cnn.com/2025/01/13/europe/ukraine-russia-east-battlefield-analysis-trump-intl/index.html

An accurate view of Ukraine from as far left a news source as you can get. But hey, lets keep getting men killed for democracy.
jon357  72 | 23104
13 Jan 2025   #366
It's a long way from being a 'far left' news outlet. If anything, it's centre-rightist like the Democrats over there.
Tacitus  2 | 1269
13 Jan 2025   #367
@PolAmKrakow

An accurate view of Ukraine from as far left a news source as you can get

But your interpretation is not, because it is driven by your personal bias. You have been writing about the impending collapse of the Ukrainian army and the breakthrough of the Russians for more than a year now. The reality is that Russia has slowly gained ground, at tremendous cost to itself, taking several small towns and villages. Yet it after almost 3 years it has yet to capture the entire Donbass area.

As I've pointed out to you before, what drives the Ukrainians regarding peace settlement is not primarily the question of whether or not a tiny village remains Ukrainian or not, but how they can make sure that Russia won't come back in a few years for more. The last year has been succesful for the Ukrainians in so far as it has greatly weakened Russia' long-term prospects. Better Russia throws the remains of its' Soviet stockpiles at some Ukrainian villages, than at a second push at Kiev. Better Russia becomes indebted to NK for retaking Kursk than attacking Kharkiv. Better Russia is selling its' gas to China at huge discountsto fund the current costly war effort than in a few years after it had time to reorganize its' armies.
mafketis  38 | 11008
13 Jan 2025   #368
how they can make sure that Russia won't come back in a few years for more

and he famously has no real answer to that.... none of the surrender monkeys do....
gumishu  15 | 6228
13 Jan 2025   #369
@mafketis

PolAmKrakow view is that the stated goals of the Ukrainian leadership (i.e. regaining all the Ukrainian territories occupied now by Russians) are unrealistic, so the war simply makes no sense from this point of view - I understand that they may have different goals in continuing the fight (more like those Tacitus stated) but they wouldn't sell that well with the native populace

however, this view that they have to bleed out Russia so it doesn't come back may be simply exaggerating the threat - Russia is currently deep in trouble itself and will continue to be for a couple of next years: their foreign currency reserves have run out AFAIK and they had huge reserves when they started the war, the country was hit with inflation and -you may have not heard about it - but Russia's agriculture maybe hit a hard blow this year: I read a month ago that more than 40 per cent of their wintering crops may not survive the winter cause there was no rain for most of the autumn (in places it was so bad that the sown grain never germinated))

this view also assumes that Ukraine cannot possibly prepare for another war with Russia, which I think is bollocks
OP PolAmKrakow  3 | 881
13 Jan 2025   #370
@Tacitus
There is absolutely nothing Ukraine or Europe can do if Russia wants to attack anyone again. Thats it. All the talk about bleeding them is not going to get Ukraine anything. Ukraine is losing a much larger percentage of their male population in the war than Russia is. Please point out one instance I said Ukraine would collapse. I have said that Ukraine cannot win, cannot push Russia out, and does not have enough manpower. But when CNN reports the things I have been saying for more than a year and a half, all of a sudden I am alleged to have said collapse.

If Russia wants to start another war, it will load up with NK's and Iranian and whatthefvckastan fights from any backwood fvcktard place they can find and they will grind it out again. I said at the very beginning of this war that Russia has never once exited a war before losing at least one million men. That is their way of going to war. And nothing has changed since WW2. The truth hurts, and there is no level of hypothetical future invasion that is worth hundreds of thousands of Ukraine people. Not to mention most Ukraine women wont be going back after living and working in the west. Ukraine is fvcked from both ends because this war keeps dragging on.
Ironside  50 | 12639
13 Jan 2025   #371
PolAmKrakow view

Honestly who cares what PolAm is thinking or what his views are?

The best outcome for Poland and NATO is Russia losing the war. Is that achievable - that is debatable. However, nothing we write here will affect the outcome of this war.
Novichok  5 | 8156
13 Jan 2025   #372
But hey, lets keep getting men killed for democracy.

"Freedom and democracy"...

From now on, I will use FaD. Less typing...

The best outcome for Poland and NATO is Russia losing the war.

That depends on how you define "losing".

In this war, Russia is paying with humans for land. So the question is how many deaths per square kilometer is a fair price and who is doing the dying.
cms neuf  1 | 1782
13 Jan 2025   #373
Who is doing the dying ? Drunk North Nigerian Nazis. henceforth I think that can be DNNNs - less typing.

But we shouldn't forget the North Korean starving elite troops NKSETs
LifeIsNotFair
13 Jan 2025   #374
how u gonna argue with professionals mafkeis?

jaapl.org/content/jaapl/14/2/171.full.pdf
mafketis  38 | 11008
13 Jan 2025   #375
how u gonna argue with professionals

are you pedo guy? I thought you were in jail.....
Novichok  5 | 8156
14 Jan 2025   #376
Who is doing the dying ?

I wish it was Western volunteers. Unfortunately, it's Russians.
cms neuf  1 | 1782
14 Jan 2025   #377
Lots of fireworks over North Nigeria last night - while Trump and Musk are blustering I really admire what the Ukrainians are doing to change the narrative about their inevitable defeat

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/14/europe/ukraine-russia-drone-missile-attack-intl-hnk
Novichok  5 | 8156
14 Jan 2025   #378
about their inevitable defeat

U already lost. Here is the list:

1. Biden
2. 500,000 men
3. Half of the 2020 population
4. 20% of the land
5. 90% of resources
6. 100% of hope to be in NATO
Ironside  50 | 12639
14 Jan 2025   #379
Russia is paying with humans for land.

Russia is not fighting for land. It is not their primary goal.
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mafketis  38 | 11008
14 Jan 2025   #380
Russia is not fighting for land.

yes and no.... modern russia has no real source of national unity or pride that's not over a hundred years old.... so just the size of the country is one of the few morsels they latch on to.... 'russia... it's really, really big!!!!' (kind of pathetic....)

what the government really wants (as far as can be discerned) is a new national story and it's settled on 'we are a great empire'... which, apart from being laughably untrue, is a retarded goal in the modern world.

the real problem is that russians spend so much time trying to justify their rotten country that they're not very mentally..... agile (and their terrible socio-economic system punishes independent creative thought).

putain really thought russia would be welcomed and after they killed a few tens of thousands of high profile Ukrainians the rest would settle into placid apathy (like most russians)

they still don't have a plan b and are now just playing for time and hoping Trump will save them (openly, they say that on russian state tv)...
Korvinus  2 | 574
14 Jan 2025   #381
"Freedom and democracy"...

Someone with a slave mentality like you will never understand people fighting and yes, dying for their freedom and independence. We already know this, you don't have to remind us about it every time.
Ironside  50 | 12639
14 Jan 2025   #382
yes and no....

They fight for their positions as world players; to do that, they need to control the eastern part of Ukraine with Crimea as a main spoil of the war.
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hoping Trump will save them

They are delusional, Trump won't do saving - or whatever it is they expect.
mafketis  38 | 11008
14 Jan 2025   #383
They fight for their positions as world players;

they crave acceptance and approval by the US and have no earthly idea how to achieve that since their playbook is limited to aggression and theft and lying (some putinites thought invading Ukraine would make Americans like them).

They are delusional, Trump won't do saving -

I hope that's the case. At least he doesn't have any motivation to drag things out like Biden did.... (who didn't want anyone investigating his or his crooked son's ties with Burisma run by pro-Kremlin types).
Ironside  50 | 12639
14 Jan 2025   #384
they crave acceptance and approval by the US

they have a love-hate relationship with the US. Mainly because they understand only power and they are afraid, instinct tells them to submit to the stronger, but they are jealous and covet the US positions - all at the same time.
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Novichok  5 | 8156
14 Jan 2025   #385
Russia is not fighting for land. It is not their primary goal.--

You are correct but to keep Russians in Crimea and Dombass safe, removing the UA from there was and is a necessity.

A side benefit: Under the rules, a country applying to NATO must be free of territorial conflicts. Clearly, U does not meet this condition and never will as long as U will try to take what it lost back.
Korvinus  2 | 574
14 Jan 2025   #386
Under the rules, a country applying to NATO must be free of territorial conflicts.

Hmm that's just a convenient excuse for NAFO faggots when they don't want a country to join. If they want it to join, this isn't a problem tbqh
Tacitus  2 | 1269
14 Jan 2025   #387
German military aid to Ukraine delivered in January 2025

- 600 HF-1 loitering munitions
- 46 RQ-35 Heidrun UAVs
- 43 Songbird UAVs
- 50 Vector UAVs
- 20 FFG MRAPs
- 495 HK416 assault rifles
- 11,000 120mm mortar shells
- 19,000 122mm shells
- 14,000 155mm shells
- ammunition for Leopard 1A5 MBTs
- 65 field glasses
- 24,200 wool blankets
- 120,000 chest seals
- 30,000 tourniquets

PLEDGED
- 5 Marder 1A3 IFVs
- 9 BOXER RCT30 IFVs with mobile fire direction centre

Source:

x.com/deaidua/status/1879196763485008310
jon357  72 | 23104
14 Jan 2025   #388
At long last.

Are the government there still refusing certain weapons?
Tacitus  2 | 1269
14 Jan 2025   #389
Taurus won't delivered as long as Scholz is chancellor.
Alien  25 | 6148
14 Jan 2025   #390
as long as Scholz is chancellor.

So not for long.


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