Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 17

You mean to say that dying for "freedom and democracy" is dying for nothing? I am so shocked...

What is more noble than to get shot dead for another guy's freedom and democracy...

Hey, Barney and Tacitus, are you packing?

Like Americans in Okinawa and Ivo Jima. Or Poles/Polesses in 1920. ):):)

I see you have become an attention sicker like Novi. You are ready to post any bs to attract attention. :):):


Watch out!!! Polam is competing with you for the PF attention sicker title. :):):)

PAK, please ignore the moron...

Don`t tell PAK what to do! You aren`t his dad!!! You could be his grandad!!!! Although if I were PAK, having such a grandad would make me emigrate to Australia to spend the rest of my life with Aborigines. hahahaha

Braking News !

Poland on the verge of war with Turkey.


I, brate, have even nicer news. Geo-strategic experts in Serbia expect Turkish appetites to arise after Syria. Neo-Ottoman ambitions. And it could lead to Turkish annexation of Serbian province of Kosovo. It is automatically war with Serbia.

Actually. Its also automatically Turkish war with Russia, Hungary and Slovakia. Because with these countries Serbia has special defensive agreements.

THAT, we all know, would lead also to Poland`s war with Turkey. Because Poland won`t leave us without her support.

Call for Sobieski!!!!

I concur. Evereything is sh*ty in EU


But Radicals in Poland were/are on the same line. Jan Lopuzansky of the ultra right wing Catholics in Polish Parliaments defended Serbs and predicted NATO attack on Poland.

Listen THIS. Back then in 1999 Jan Lopuzansky strictly coordinated with Pope John Paul II. Polish Pope also defended Serbs. By analogy, if alive, Pope John Paul II would today side with Serbians and Russians.

And it wouldn`t be first time in history that Balkan Serbs united Polish Catholics and Russian Orthodox. See, only Serbs can do that. It is because of the importance of Balkan for entire Slavic world. Plus, Serbia is the old Sarmatian ie Slavic core.

@Bobko


Our threshold is pretty high. Just don't repeatedly invade a European country and nothing will happen to you.


Not exactly sure where as a Russian your high horse comes from. Soviet politics were notoriously intransparent even for Kremlinlogists and many of its' leaders, including the current one, were/are famously paranoid.

Russia and Saudi Arabia are basically just gas stations for the world. Both are led by dictators who don't leave their people any freedoms. The one substantial difference is that Saudi Arabia does offer its' citizens a decent standard of living. And Saudi Arabia is at least working on a plan B as for when the oil runs out. While Russia embarked on that ruinous war against Ukraine...

You live in an absolute Serbian dreamworld!!!! HaHaHa!!!


Great post!!!!

Russia didn't invade Ukraine. Ukraine is the aggressor in Donbass but not for long.

Russian glacier is moving slowly but is unstoppable...If you think Russia can be stopped, buy a farm 10 miles west of the front line.

Hey, stupid, tell me what freedoms do you have that Russians don't.

What an idiot...

Energy is more important than anything else. Energy is food, things we use,...life itself...Been to a hospital lately? Without that gas station, it would be a soccer field.

Your buddy Hitler was smarter than you. He knew that without energy it would be very hard to dispose of 10 million bodies.

Sorry, BB, but this azhole brings the worst out of me...

Probably the most idiotic comment I have ever read on PF!!!!

Russian army is in Donbass. Donbass is part of the Russian Federation. No invasion because one cannot "invade" himself.

When I enter my place, I don't invade it.

Yes, we are that stupid...

@pawian
No not like WW2 or Poles in 1920. Ukraine men, women and children are dying because they cannot defeat the enemy, and their leader refuses to admit this to save their lives. Pretty big difference as to what you suggest. The time to negotiate is not after your enemy has killed your whole family, but before, and the sacrifice to be made to save your people is yourself. Thats called honor, and Z has none of it.

Meanwhile Russia is signaling they will use more hypersonic missiles in Ukraine. Anyone getting the message yet that Russia is not low on missiles? Then some retard calls Orbans phone call to Vlad as stupid when the guy is trying to get a cease fire? Five weeks. Then Z really needs to have his sh1t together.

You now have the same position as Novi - that Ukraine should have surrendered in Day 1?

Should the NNs also have surrendered when Ukraine attacked Kursk

Two weeks ago, you said this would be over in weeks and Ukraine would collapse

Of course they are running out if missiles, they are running out of everything except home made booze

@Novichok


You aren't even trying to make somewhat coherent arguments anymore. You know that is nonsense, why do you even bother writing it down?


I doubt there is a better side to you. At least, you don't show it on this forum.

Russia needs more Ukrainian dishwashers to make them missiles...

I just saw a couple of FSB agents rummaging at a junkyard in Gary,


No!!! Russia wants to depopulate and destroy Ukraine. It takes time, man...so everything is according to the plan.

This way, when the shooting stops - and stop it will - Ukraine will look like an Ikea parking lot at midnight and nothing for the refugees to come back to...

OK...like Warsaw in May 1945...

You have to admit that the plan is pure genius...

@cms neuf
No I do not have the same position as Novi. I support Ukraine, but only to the point it makes sense for its people to keep fighting. We are long past that point. Not only do I support their thinking of a right to be free, but I supported the efforts financially. Investing has a saying, you dont throw good money after bad. And right now, Ukraine is bad money. Its time to end this for the people. The Ukraine people, a big majority want the war over. Their opinion means more than Z's or ours. But Z doesnt listen to his citizens, he listens to the US and UK. He is a puppet, and his future does not look so good. He will go down in history as the man who first didnt listen to US warnings about the invasion, who then became Boris's biatch, and continued to be Biden and the MIC biatch. He will go down in history as having killed tens of thousands of his own people because he wouldnt take a deal that would have preserved all but Crimea, and now he lost an additional 20% of Ukraine land. Thats just fvcking stupid.

@Novichok
If you were in Gary you are a bad MFer.

Ukraine peace talks could be held this winter, says Polish PM. Emmanuel Macron and Donald Tusk will discuss plans to send European troops to Ukraine as a peacekeeping force after the end of the war. The Polish Rzeczpospolita newspaper reported Poland and France would discuss a 40,000-strong force, which was confirmed by a French official and EU diplomat.
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/11/ukraine-peace-talks-held-winter-donald-tusk-poland/

Shoulda happened a year ago when it was clear Ukraine was going to lose.

Why do people here think negotiations are completely up to Ukrainians? It take two to negotiate and so far russian pre-conditions for negotiations amount to unconditional surrender by Ukraine, a country russia thinks should not exist.

How are the negotiations-uber-alles crowd going to get russia into negotiations? And, more importantly, what's the reaction when russia breaks whatever deal it made.

I remind you that 20 or so separate cease-fire deals were made between 2014 and 2022 and russia broke every single one, often before the ink was dry.

How would things be different now?

Shower me with your brilliant plans!

Meanwhile in moscu..... another russian war criminal has paid a tiny part of his debt....

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What "preconditions"? Russia has consistently signaled that it's ready to sit down and talk. There are no preconditions.

What has come from the Russian side are the "conditions", for a long term settlement. If Ukraine doesn't want to even entertain those ideas briefly - then that's on them.

Russian conditions/asks:

1) Five regions that had been officially annexed into Russia. Putin and Co insist that this has to be done, within the "official administrative borders" of these five regions. My feeling is that in the end, we would just take the effective territory under our control, rather than the whole provinces.

2) Legally binding assurances that Ukraine will never apply to join NATO, and that NATO will never invite Ukraine

3) A substantial demilitarization of Ukraine, to such a level, that Ukraine stops representing a military threat to Russia. I had read that our negotiators wanted Ukraine's army reduced to 50,000 men, amongst other things. Also, there would be a ban on Ukraine developing missiles with ranges in excess of 250 KM.

4) The granting of "official" status to the Russian language, alongside Ukrainian.

5) Ensure protections for the Russian Orthodox Church. This means, removing sanctions on it, and returning all the parishes illegally seized by their upstart church.

6) Removal of sanctions imposed on Russian businesses and state agencies since 2014.

In exchange, Ukraine gets to live another day. It gets to not be erased from the map. Something that many generations of Ukrainians, over many centuries, could allegedly only ever dream of - if we are to believe the tall tales about their ancient origins.

Every single war with Russia, had previously ended in Ukraine's disappearance.

Also, nobody seems to care if they join the EU or not! That's big progress compared to 2013. So they can also record that as a win for themselves. Whatever remains of Ukraine will almost certainly join the EU.

They get to live another day ?

On top of the 1000 days since the drunk losers started their 3 day operation ?

It says quite a bit, when you and your 40 rich friends can't seem to kick a drunk loser out for 1,000 days.

Take a page out of the jihadist playbook. They don't get help from anyone, and are instead sanctioned and put on terrorist lists. It doesn't stop them from blitzkrieging their way around town.

Maybe this is because jihadists are actually popular, and do not need to resort to kidnapping people in broad daylight and stuffing them into party wagons.

As PAK says, the fact that nobody in Ukraine seems to be bothered enough to go and fight will be the end of them.

*reads Bobko's list*

@Bobko

You know....the thing about negotiations is that no side gets it ALL, and they know it! Usually the list-writer fills them up with some no-goes just to be able to make concessions for the truly important stuff....so, what do you think? Which points on this list are negotiable for Moscow?

(I know it's a tough question but you are my only pro-Putin Russian I know and trust so far with a honest answer!)

The first one - I think is the one with flexibility.

It's at the same time a bluff and a threat.

If Ukraine is as weak as it seems, it may decide that giving us the entirety of the 5 regions may be cheap in comparison to further territorial gains we may make.

On the other hand, if Ukraine still has some fight in it, we can always back down and say - "Ok, we'll take just the land we already control."

In the end, occupying the entirety of the five regions, means storming such massive cities as Zaporozhye and Kherson (again). Zaporozhye is one of the largest cities in the world, by territory. It's stretched out along the river for over 100 kilometers. It has a million people. This would be a huge job.

Kherson is on the other side of the river. During WW2 the Soviet Union lost half a million men just crossing the river. Any operation to attack across the river will be a massive exercise, and extremely bloody.

So... I think the first point is negotiable.

The rest of the points are easy for Ukraine to agree to. Russian language - easy. Church protection - easy. Sanctions lifting - easy (I mean only Ukraine's sanctions against us).

Even demilitarization is easy. It saves money for the Ukrainian budget, as it refocuses on reconstruction. Finally, Ukraine doesn't need an army at all, if it has an understanding with Russia. Who else is gonna attack them? Romania? Slovakia? Hungary?

That one:


Wow....that is interesting! Most people seem to think that's the whole real reason for this war....if Moscow is truly flexible with this, Putin might get all the rest.

Clever!


Especially if the West sends "peace troops".....I guess that is in the cards....even in Germany they are talking about them...

russia is the only violent maniac country in the region that's actually dangerous.... serbia is too small to make good on its constant warmongering rhetoric....

and some russians say it's not a mafia group with a gas station.....

How many mafia groups do you know that:

1) Build more nuclear reactors around the world than Toshiba, Westinghouse, and Areva combined.

2) Ferry European and American astronauts to space (despite the war!)

3) Were one of the few to develop their own Covid-19 vaccines, alongside China, America, and the EU

4) Have the largest tech startups in Europe