I never said war is a nice thing. Plus, who knows who did it.
You want me to tell you how many Serbian children killed Vatican while your own government, on the dictate from western European powers, prevented you to ever know it?
I mean, we are decent and proud and all that but we were/are weak to resit to Magna Germania
But thats irrelevant because Poland isn't basing its identity, future and whole existence on being a part of great power. We literally don't give a sh*it, we want a modern rich state. And we wouldn't trade it for being slaves in some kleptocratic retard ran empire.
It is literally impossible for Poland to wage aggressive wars on its neighbors because CITIZENS not mindless SLAVES will not let the leadership do it.
And this is where the main difference comes into light. Poland has always been a land of law, rights and freedom. At first for up to 10% of population that was nobility but now it extends to everyone. Srusgoblinia always was a corrupt shithole where rulers lived in golden palaces while slaves died in the trenches.
@mafketis Your statements lack common sense. Poland has agreements with the US, and has tens of thousands of US military stationed in Poland. Ukraine is nothing to the US and should remain that way.
You literally know nothing whats going on in Europe. Poland is mentally ruined. Controlled. You never heard that Vatican committed genocide on Serbians. You don`t demand Poland to erect monument to Gavrilo Princip in Poland. You don`t have protests against nazis in Ukraine and those same nazis would one day police the Poland if Russia didn`t react. You don`t protest because Poland helping partition of Serbia down there on Kosovo.
You don`t protest because Poland helping partition of Serbia down there on Kosovo.
Twenty years ago, Polish who*res for hire found Iraq on the map and sent 200.
Unfortunately, not all were killed...
The Russian military has conducted strikes on a drone command and control center of the Ukrainian General Staff, the Defense Ministry in Moscow has announced.
The ministry mentioned the strike in its weekly briefing on Friday. Apart from the command center in Kiev, the Russian military also targeted Ukrainian drone manufacturing sites and UAV stockpiles, it said.
Memo to Russia: Do what Trump promised the Taliban top guy. Go for Z's office or home when he is in there...Never mind others...
Problem is that we do have war in Europe and tendency to have world war and people, speaking about Europe, absolutely don`t know what are ALL reasons for making the certain moves.
BUT, its not what is worse thing. Crucial problem is that people talk on things and don`t know nothing.
And when people don`t know they are easily manipulated. Still, people opening their mouths to speak.
Funny you still haven't grown tired of forming ominous threats.
You don`t have protests against nazis in Ukraine
I don't have the love towards Ukraine and i doubt that Ukraine will ever be part of any important alliance alongside Poland, given how quickly they absorbed the mindset of parasiting on 'brotherly nations'. Ukraine is defending itself and for its own purposes, not for mine. The thing is, my beloved benzo-huffer, that we're aligned in the sentiment of killing Russians, and I'm very much in favor of supporting their Russian-killing effort. My benchmark for Ukrainian war effort is the percentile loss of life on Russian side.
helping partition of Serbia down there on Kosovo
In Kosovo there was genocide of kosovans and then independence was proclaimed, because local people were abused by the larger state.
You really need to study your history and current affairs more carefully...... The majority of the population of this area, despite Stalin pouring more and more Russians into it, are Ukrainians, who wish to remain part of Ukraine.
Just stop your Russian lies gleaned from RT or other Russian media sources! They are bollox!
Funny you still haven't grown tired of forming ominous threats.
It was brotherly summery of the situation. Poland do have mental problems but, Poland is still Poland. THAT Poland of Piasts that is in alliance with Serbia of the Nemanic`s, Poland that is worth and necessary in the such a beautiful diversity of our immensely great Sarmatian and Slavic civilization. Poland of Zawisha. That Poland of the brat Lech Kaczinsky that gave his life for THAT Poland.
THAT Poland is in chains. Sometimes obvious, sometimes golden. Chains imposed of same those who are open enemy to Serbia and Russia.
See, THAT Poland will be saved. We Serbians have great debt to THAT Poland and sisters and brothers there that never, no matter all mental experiments on them,.. that never forgot us.
You can't release a full, conclusive report without getting the tu-154 airplane wreck back. (what's left of it after being cut in pieces, sprayed with bleach and scavenged by the local ruskis.)
Anyone with a high school education realises that.
@mafketis The US did not disarm Ukraine, Ukraine disarmed itself as a condition of independence. If not for the US training Ukraine soldiers from 2014 on, the Russian invasion of 2022 would have been swift and a lot easier. Of course, no one should trust any other country for their own security, anyone relying on anyone else is the foolish one. The US doesnt rely on anyone but itself. Dont think anyone has the balls to even think of invading the US. Maybe countries should arm themselves and take care of themselves for a change. Wait a minute, that would mean that all the NATO members who had not spent their requited GDA on defense, would have actually had to uphold the standards required. And now everyone is rushing to make up ground they lost due to their own failures.
Ukraine disarmed itself as a condition of independence
So they voluntarily went from the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world to begging for amunition and the ability to actually strike their enemies? Weird hypothesis....
Dont think anyone has the balls to even think of invading the US
The US won the geographic lottery.... other countries aren't so lucky. You sound like someone who won the lottery lecturing other people about saving money.
rushing to make up ground they lost due to their own failures
Believe me I have a lot of contempt for western Euro leaders but I still say that if the US abandons Ukraine it will abandon Poland when the time comes. It won't even let Poland shoot down russian missiles over Polish territory..... they're that afraid of putin's empty threats....
Poland offers to shoot down missiles over Ukraine. Poland's Sikorski speaking of NATO opposition to this, he said: "Membership in Nato does not trump each country's responsibility for the protection of its own airspace - it's our own constitutional duty."
Sikorski continued: "I'm personally of the view that, when hostile missiles are on course of entering our airspace, it would be legitimate self-defense to strike them because once they do cross into our airspace, the risk of debris injuring someone is significant."
I just don't get it. You are fine with the US spending billion on Israel and crying over millions spent on Ukraine. Where is the US interest? Obviously it is more advantageous to have Ukraine in the US zone of influence. When Israel is just some fancy, the US would do better to strike a deal with some Arab countries to secure its interest in this part of the globe. So from a logical, purely interest-driven point of view, the US should support Ukraine over Israel. Somehow you are all brainwashed into believing the opposite. lol!
@mafketis Yes. Ukraine had nukes on their territory, but did not control them. Russia maintained all control and in 1990 when Ukraine declared indenpendence, they swore to not acquire, produce, or accept nuclear weapons. Not strange at all if you know your history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
You complain that the US won the geography lottery while still not accepting that Europe has fvcked itself for the last fifty years in arms production. Europe created its own problems, not the US.
As for Poland and the US. There are far too many Polish/Americans for that to ever happen. close to ten percent of the American population has some form of Polish ancestry. Thats no small lobby and those voices would be loud. The US was captivated with Solidarity, and with PJP2. Underestimating the value of those people who would be very loud about Poland would be a grave mistake by any political figure in the US.
@johnny reb Sikorski is right, and missiles and drones in Polish airspace should be shot down. But anything in Ukraine airspace should be left alone.
From what I see on this board and with my own relatives, a good slice of Pol Ams in swing states either
A) want North Nigeria to win the war or are B) more concerned about their taxes being spent on NATO than they are about Polish security C) both
And that's fine - they are Americans first and Poles a distant second
So absolutely we need to consider other arrangements and not leave it in the hands of the rapidly ageing, increasingly conservative Polish American voters
@cms neuf If a larger part of Pol-Ams had invested heavily in Poland, security of their investments would be important. As of now, many of those Pol-Ams oppose or dislike support those that invested in Ukraine. Therefore it is natural to see Ukraines opponents in a more favourable light. Even if it's Russia (similar dynamic in Lithuania, local affairs trumfs national)
As long as Russian Federation doesn't touch or invade NATO members, these voices will be accommodating towards a Russian victory as long as NATO remains intact (this views stems from underestimating Russia and the after effects of a Russian victory that would bolster authoritarian tendencies among non-western countries since they don't view them as having the upper hand (which we know from history can rapidly change in a timespan of 10 years.
I wonder what Ukraine will do with NK prisoners after the war ? Sending them back will be a death sentence, but I can't see any Western country wanting them and Putler will pretend they don't exist.
Would SK take them ?
I feel really sorry for them - helpless pawns in a screwed up world
Dont think anyone has the balls to even think of invading the US.
...and that's why US tanks and artillery are so totally useless and prove that we are the world's stupidest cop.
We spend money and men and what do we get in return? Contempt and derision from Euroholes. These mother fvckers are not only not grateful but full of demands..."You owe us." We owe you shlt. FU, Euros...
To Russia's credit, for the money and blood, they got the best chunk of Ukraine - 20% of the land and 90% of the wealth. Smart.
Now you know how I feel...
In return, Russia has this gift for the Western azholes:
@Novichok Most here would never believe just how armed the US is at home. Every State has multiple National Guard armories that are absolutely loaded with everything to defend the country. Not to mention all the citizens with weapons. This is why I have always said, the US has no enemy in Russia. China is only an economic enemy and they can be crushed pretty quickly if the US is willing to isolate for a decade. The only war the US has to be concerned with is nuclear, and anything short of that is not worth the expense.
This is why I have always said, the US has no enemy in Russia.
I appreciate this and the rest of your comments.
NATO is the biggest bullshit ever. Albania coming to the rescue when Venezuela attacks the US...Sure...
One-sided, useless, expensive, and full of risks that one day some old fart will press the wrong button thinking that it is for a "I have fallen" call to help him get up and wipe his ass...
all the citizens with weapons.
Instead of making ARs illegal, they should demand that every sane adult has one plus 1000 rounds.
See, at a time when such a propaganda occurred, there was the independent investigation of the Polish parliament at that time that proved that Serbians did not commit genocide on local Shiftars (Albanians) but that NATO bombs endangered both, Serbs and Shiftars.
At that occasion Jan Lopuzansky of ultra right Catholics, but patriots of Poland which knows that we Poles and Serbs share historical path, said in Polish parliament that ``same as NATO today attacking Serbs, one day will attack Poland``. It was 1999.
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