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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16


OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #541
......we are living in the age of nukes, Bobko! Kilometers are now alot less important than before...

Why then the world's greatest superpower lost every damn war where the USSR was not its ally?
I never heard people calling Ukrainians stupid

I never call men who are drafted stupid. Only volunteers and the top dogs who send them to die for shlt.
Bobko  28 | 2364
17 Nov 2024   #542
Surely nobody wants to repeat the ukrainian error....giving up their nukes for empty promises!

They were never their's to give away. This is a joke.

All the launch codes were set and maintained from
Moscow. Even if they wanted to launch these ICBMs they couldn't.

They had specific competencies, but they never knew how to organize or control the entire supply chain.

In the same way as Kazakhstan and Belarus could never maintain their nuclear arsenals, so Ukraine could not.

If Ukraine tries to become nuclear now, Eritrea will start to look prosperous in comparison.
cms neuf  1 | 1920
17 Nov 2024   #543
Bobko you could make a similar list of countries that have never been dumped by America

Poland, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Czech, Ireland and many others - all free market democracies with the rule of law
mafketis  38 | 11109
17 Nov 2024   #544
.giving up their nukes for empty promises!

Not just nukes.... western politicians (including Biden and Obama) presided over decades of destruction of arms in Ukraine so that when russia invaded in 2014 they had nothing to defend themselves with.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11927
17 Nov 2024   #545
Why then the world's greatest superpower lost every damn war

The media?

With an american Putin in Washington, I doubt Vietnam or Afghanistan would still exist today, not to mention the US army having accepted their losses....they both would be only holes in the ground by now.

But politicians in democratic countries have to follow other rules....a big anti-war movement at home is such a big, un-ignorable player!
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #546
Eritrea will start to look prosperous in comparison.

Can you expand on this...

But a politicians in democratic countries have to follow other rules

Did they in Iraq?
sambeliskiv  - | 107
17 Nov 2024   #547
Not just nukes.... western politicians (including Biden and Obama) presided over decades of destruction of arms in Ukraine

Seriously. dont take poticican seriosuly, they are super low iq and mostly formality but USA or any white nation is self sufficient and no person/minorities can affect them any way.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11927
17 Nov 2024   #548
Did they in Iraq?

As it did end Bush's and Blair's political careers, definitely!

Imagine polls and surveys deciding about Putin's future....would he still keep his troops (plus far away Asians) in Ukraine by now?
mafketis  38 | 11109
17 Nov 2024   #549
Imagine polls and surveys deciding about Putin's future...

Apparently russians online are all cheering yesterday's escalation....
Bobko  28 | 2364
17 Nov 2024   #550
Poland, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Czech, Ireland and many others

1) Poland is a European country with a 1,000 year history. Have some pride, in that maybe you could do these things without Uncle Sam holding your hand.

2) I don't know if you are a history buff, but recently Germany declared war twice. In both cases... it did it against the WORLD. I don't think Germany is prosperous because of America, but despite of it.

3) Italy is kind of the center of all world history. It's insulting you would think they owe their prosperity to Washington.

The same applies down your list, of people you think succeeded "JUST BECAUSE OF AMERICA".

All these people were rich and powerful anyway.

I ask you to look instead at those litmus tests where other factors were equal.

Countries like China and Vietnam that are the hottest economies in Asia, because of their very Russian-style heavy investment into education and social equity.

P.S. Japan is also an incredibly stupid example, as is Korea. These countries were always destined for greatness, and they did it themselves.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11927
17 Nov 2024   #551
Apparently

....what would happen to them if they don't?

I can't keep forgetting my roots....I grew up in a dictatorship....I can't forget that when faced with such stuff....the biggest pro-GDR parade with a cheering, happy crowd partying during the 40th anniversary of the founding was 1989, shortly before people had enough and did away with the wall and the people on top. Proving that the big "party" before was nothing but a forced ritual, a lie!

So....whenever I hear or see about such "agreements" in a dictatorship I can't help doubting....
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #552
in a dictatorship

As with Hitler and Nazis, we have abused "dictatorship" and "dictator" into meaningless nothing and conveniently forget that their are shades of dictatorships.

I lived in a "dictatorship" and enjoyed every day until at 24 I realized that my salary was just enough to go to work and back plus lunch. In three months I was on the train to West Germany and beyond.

Other than that, all else was fine - including free ed and med.
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Nov 2024   #553
While we may have lost several thousand soldiers, Afghanistan lost 3 million people.

No, r*SSia is entirely to blame. They invaded Afghanistan with no good reason.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11927
17 Nov 2024   #554
In three months I was on the train to West Germany and beyond.

Well....that was something I wasn't allowed to.....people got shot if they still tried....growing up near the wall I remember shots in the night....maybe that makes all the difference, who knows!
PolAmKrakow  2 | 1040
17 Nov 2024   #555
Make sure you tell all the Ukrainians you know that.

I have said exactly this to every one of them and in conversation, one just yesterday, each one has said the war is senseless and they want to let Russia keep the land because it means nothing to them personally. You and the western press dont know the feelings of all people. You only know the opinions of the elites.
mafketis  38 | 11109
17 Nov 2024   #556
they want to let Russia keep the land because it means nothing to them personally

What about Odesa and Kyiv? russia still wants those.... and is not liable to give up if western fecklessness means they are rewarded (and make no mistake russia will regard any gain in territory as a massive win, they don't care how many people they have to kill to get it... they don't care if their own family members die).

But keep trying to treat russia like a normal european country
Crow  154 | 9609
17 Nov 2024   #557
Stop all BS talks and focus on reality.

All of continental Europe would be part of Eurasian Union.

It would be dead race who love it more. Chechens or French.
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #558
You only know the opinions of the elites.

...aka warmongering swamp...
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #559
RT is 'only station where I can tell the truth' - RFK (ARCHIVE VIDEO)
US media is owned by pharmaceutical companies, which dictate and censor content, Trump's nominee for secretary of Health and Human Services told RT in 2020


No shlt! That's why I love RT, Putin, and Russia.

Don't like it? I have a suggestion I am too polite to express in writing....
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #560
Russia confirms large-scale strikes on Ukraine - MOD
The attacks targeted energy infrastructures and facilities supporting Kiev's military, the Defense Ministry has said


Memo to Russia haters: Don't dispair...It's a lie...

Russia has been out of things that go boom like forever and Putin is on his deathbed or simply dead. That damn cancer...
johnny reb  48 | 8003
17 Nov 2024   #561
biden just gave Zelenskyy permission to use those long-range American made missiles to strike deep inside of Ru$$ian territory.
I wonder which target Ukraine will lite up first ?
Feniks  1 | 646
17 Nov 2024   #562
You still lost, but you don't have to feel bad.

It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings and now Biden has consented to US-supplied long-range missiles being used by Ukraine to strike deeper inside Russia.

You made this adventure as expensive as possible for Russia

What did you expect? Why not call it what it is. War. For sure it's not an adventure or a 'special military operation'.

życie jest brutalne....
johnny reb  48 | 8003
17 Nov 2024   #563
The White House refuses for months to grant a weapons request from Ukraine, fearing it would be escalatory.
Kyiv loudly decries the refusal, and just when the request seems to have been parked, the biden administration approves it just in time for Trump to inherit this war.
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #564
Biden has consented to US-supplied long-range missiles being used by Ukraine to strike deeper inside Russia.

Biden should be in a padded room...His consent means shlt.

What matters is Putin's consent. Quoting:

Moscow comments on Biden's reported approval of strikes deep inside Russia
President Putin has previously warned that such a decision would mean NATO's direct involvement in the conflict


But of course to PF morons like Paulina what matters is who pushes the button to launch. See? It was not NATO. We just supplied the damn thing and told a sovereign and independent Ukraine which button to press ... so all is hunky dory...by the book...so what's the problem...right?

You, azholes, play that game ... go ahead, fvcking idiots...
mafketis  38 | 11109
17 Nov 2024   #565
The White House refuses for months to grant a weapons request from Ukraine, fearing it would be escalatory.

scholz begged putin, signalling weakness, putin escalated.... biden escalates... russia will back down (spitting and hissing the whole time)
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #566
russia will back down

Would you if you were Putin and look like a loser US president?

Did N back down because mothers wanted their "loved ones" back? Tough shlt...
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11927
17 Nov 2024   #567
Apparently russians online are all cheering yesterday's escalation....

Interesting tidbit in the news today:

Vladimir Shklyarov, Russian Ballet Star, Dead At 39

yahoo.com/entertainment/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-210000895.html

Acclaimed Russian ballet dancer Vladimir Shklyarov has died after falling from the fifth story of a building. He was 39....

Another fall out of a window....man, these russian windows are a WMD of their own kind.....someone should make a list....

Maf, I guess that's what's happening when you don't cheer and applaud any doing from above!
OP Novichok  5 | 8543
17 Nov 2024   #569
man, these russian windows are a WMD of their own kind..

A former ballerina, Irina Bartnovskaya, wrote on Telegram that Mr. Shklyarov had been at home, on painkillers and preparing for foot surgery before his death. She said that he went out to smoke onto "a very narrow balcony" and fell five stories in "a stupid, unbearable accident."

Nothing with Putin.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11927
17 Nov 2024   #570
and preparing for foot surgery before his death.

....probably to stop the rumours that man was suicidal.....another often used explanation for lotsa window-falling-Russians!

Come on Novi.... :)

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