PolAmKrakow 2 | 1040
13 Nov 2024 #361
As a new US military missile base opens in Poland today, does anyone want to continue to question the US commitment to Poland?
Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16
an unbelievably heinous atrocity that doesn't justify the response.
What, according to you, would have been a justified response?
Similar to the US' response to PH: 2 to 3 million dead Japs plus two nukes for the grand finale...
Every time I watch those videos with B-29s on the way to drive the message not to ever fvck with the US again my immigrant chest swells ... and then a disappointment...
The US had only two of them...fvck...
Every time I watch those videos with B-29s on the way to drive the message not to ever fvck with the US again my immigrant chest swells ... and then a disappointment...
The US had only two of them...fvck...
@mafketis
You want me to explain why I think genocide is a bad thing? I recognise a "designed to fail" question so I could simply reply by asking you why you think genocide is justified in these circumstances.
What would I do from an arbitrary date in an area that has seen many heinous atrocities all with different dates? What would your response be to having your family murdered and forced from their home? What would be your response to the Sabra and Shatila massacre? Well in Ireland we say I wouldn't start from here.
The way forward is a single unitary state. As surprising as it seems, in this I am in agreement with Trumps new Israeli ambassador minus the ethnic cleansing/apartheid parts and of course the antisemitism common to nut job Christians. Whats wrong with a one state solution where all people are treated equally in law and practice? Compensation paid to those families forced from their homes and full restitution for appropriated property including all land holdings is also a must.
The creation of Israel as some kind of balm for European antisemitism has failed.
You want me to explain why I think genocide is a bad thing? I recognise a "designed to fail" question so I could simply reply by asking you why you think genocide is justified in these circumstances.
What would I do from an arbitrary date in an area that has seen many heinous atrocities all with different dates? What would your response be to having your family murdered and forced from their home? What would be your response to the Sabra and Shatila massacre? Well in Ireland we say I wouldn't start from here.
The way forward is a single unitary state. As surprising as it seems, in this I am in agreement with Trumps new Israeli ambassador minus the ethnic cleansing/apartheid parts and of course the antisemitism common to nut job Christians. Whats wrong with a one state solution where all people are treated equally in law and practice? Compensation paid to those families forced from their homes and full restitution for appropriated property including all land holdings is also a must.
The creation of Israel as some kind of balm for European antisemitism has failed.
the US commitment to Poland?
More to Europe than to sole Poland...... Let`s not be so chauvinistic...... :):):) Divide the commitment between 30 countries, please.
The Russian military is absolutely useless......
johnny reb 48 | 8003
13 Nov 2024 #367
October the seventh was an unbelievably heinous atrocity that doesn't justify the response.
Nothing justifies genocide.
Nothing justifies genocide.
Why would you think exterminating people that want to exterminate your people off the face of the earth need to be justified ?
It's called, "Self Preservation", Barns.
I couldn't agree more Jim.Frankly,people like Barney make me feel physically sick..... how can people be so stupid and ignorant?
Meanwhle, back in Ukraine, American tanks perform well against Russian $h1t.
Meanwhle, back in Ukraine, American tanks perform well against Russian $h1t.
And this is even more hilarious.....North Korean troops brought in by Russia because they are desperate to feed their "Meat Grinder" war are now defecting to Ukraine.....
President Biden still has one chance to partially redeem his awful rule as president.
ALLOW UKRAINE TO FIRE LONG RANGE MISILLES INTO RUSSIA!!!!!!
Russia is there for the taking,Russians are starting to question the invasion of Ukraine,now is the time to strike, is Biden strong enough?
ALLOW UKRAINE TO FIRE LONG RANGE MISILLES INTO RUSSIA!!!!!!
Russia is there for the taking,Russians are starting to question the invasion of Ukraine,now is the time to strike, is Biden strong enough?
@Miloslaw
Fine, let's examine your Putinesque thinking re Palestine and Ukraine.
Russian reclaims Ukraine because Russia has an historical claim to these lands. Russia took much of that land from Turkish people in the first place and allowed Ukrainians to administer it. Ukrainians fcuked it up but what else were they ever going to do.
What you have to remember is that Ukrainians are not a thing just like Palestinians are not a thing. They are a mixture of Russians and those polluted with Polish ideas. Peace can only come when Ukrainians accept their inferior status, after all there are loads of slavic countries they can go to. Remember if you treat ukrainians well they may be able to live just like good Russians. This may seem harsh but it's a tough neighbourhood and someone needs to be a good shepherd to the wayward flock.
Fine, let's examine your Putinesque thinking re Palestine and Ukraine.
Russian reclaims Ukraine because Russia has an historical claim to these lands. Russia took much of that land from Turkish people in the first place and allowed Ukrainians to administer it. Ukrainians fcuked it up but what else were they ever going to do.
What you have to remember is that Ukrainians are not a thing just like Palestinians are not a thing. They are a mixture of Russians and those polluted with Polish ideas. Peace can only come when Ukrainians accept their inferior status, after all there are loads of slavic countries they can go to. Remember if you treat ukrainians well they may be able to live just like good Russians. This may seem harsh but it's a tough neighbourhood and someone needs to be a good shepherd to the wayward flock.
In the meanwhile
Tusk: Dobri pane brate, I will admit to you. I am confused. Pachamama worries me
Vucic: But of course. Be careful brate. Confused are first to be tackled.
Tusk: Then what brate?
Vucic. Svetovid is for us. Not Pachamama.
Tusk: Then Svetovid it is, if not too late.
Vucic: Never is too late dobri pane brate
Tusk: Dobri pane brate, I will admit to you. I am confused. Pachamama worries me
Vucic: But of course. Be careful brate. Confused are first to be tackled.
Tusk: Then what brate?
Vucic. Svetovid is for us. Not Pachamama.
Tusk: Then Svetovid it is, if not too late.
Vucic: Never is too late dobri pane brate
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1040
14 Nov 2024 #373
@pawian
The US could have put this system in Germany if it wanted where its base is located, but chose Poland. This was specifically about Poland, and not just about the EU. At least give the US credit for doing this for Poland when if it was for the EU Germany would have been the most logical placement.
The US could have put this system in Germany if it wanted where its base is located, but chose Poland. This was specifically about Poland, and not just about the EU. At least give the US credit for doing this for Poland when if it was for the EU Germany would have been the most logical placement.
The US could have put this system in Germany if it wanted where its base is located
This means they cared more for Germany and Europe than in Poland when the idea originated.
Can you tell us why?????
This was specifically about Poland
It seems you weren`t interested in the matter when it was setlled. Go back and examine its origin. :):):)
This means they cared more for Germany and Europe than in Poland when the idea originated.
The presence of American soldiers in Germany has not only military significance but also historical and political significance. It is especially important from a political perspective because it guarantees the continuity of democracy in Germany.
What would I do from an arbitrary date i
Not an arbitrary date.... what do you think an appropriate response from Israel would have been? Just ignore it?
The way forward is a single unitary state.
Where is there any evidence that either side wants a unitary state?
How do you propose to create a unitary state opposed by a majority on both sides of the conflict?
@mafketis
Its a date you chose to concentrate on and has been said many times the conflict didnt start on that date. There has been a long, slow incremental ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
Israel has the ability to take many paths I suggest that a legal one would be the correct response. The details could have been worked out with its enabler state but they both chose the expansionist path of land theft something others in the world have noted.
The current zero sum conflict is going nowhere and I personally believe that a unitary state is the only realistic stable solution. The Oslo accords were fatally undermined by Israeli supremacist and expansionist policy something they were able to do because the US is not a neutral broker.
The Israeli response is something HAMAS is delighted with.
Its a date you chose to concentrate on and has been said many times the conflict didnt start on that date. There has been a long, slow incremental ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
Israel has the ability to take many paths I suggest that a legal one would be the correct response. The details could have been worked out with its enabler state but they both chose the expansionist path of land theft something others in the world have noted.
The current zero sum conflict is going nowhere and I personally believe that a unitary state is the only realistic stable solution. The Oslo accords were fatally undermined by Israeli supremacist and expansionist policy something they were able to do because the US is not a neutral broker.
The Israeli response is something HAMAS is delighted with.
I personally believe that a unitary state is the only realistic stable solution
What makes you think Palestinians would accept such a state and wouldn't resist it the same way they resist Israel?
What then?
@mafketis
What future do you see for Palestinians? The so called two state solution is dead leaving a choice between a unitary state or expulsion. The US and much of Europe have clearly opted for expulsion land appropriation and annexation. Everyone else sees the hypocrisy and act accordingly
What solution do you suggest If Israel continues to block a Palestinian state and keeps the people as a reserve labour force subject to apartheid policies. What do you thing Israel's plan is cos I sure as hell dont know apart from genocide.
What future do you see for Palestinians? The so called two state solution is dead leaving a choice between a unitary state or expulsion. The US and much of Europe have clearly opted for expulsion land appropriation and annexation. Everyone else sees the hypocrisy and act accordingly
What solution do you suggest If Israel continues to block a Palestinian state and keeps the people as a reserve labour force subject to apartheid policies. What do you thing Israel's plan is cos I sure as hell dont know apart from genocide.
PolAmKrakow 2 | 1040
14 Nov 2024 #380
@pawian
Its origin was a smoke screen to say it was to protect against missiles from Iran. I know the story.
Do you know there are now more US military in Poland than there is in Germany? Between Warsaw, tri cities, and Rzeszow, Poland is the largest US military presence outside of Japan. If you spent any time in Krakow you would see US military every day. The NGO's in Poland are staggering.
Its origin was a smoke screen to say it was to protect against missiles from Iran. I know the story.
Do you know there are now more US military in Poland than there is in Germany? Between Warsaw, tri cities, and Rzeszow, Poland is the largest US military presence outside of Japan. If you spent any time in Krakow you would see US military every day. The NGO's in Poland are staggering.
The so called two state solution is dead
Two groups want the same land and neither is willing to share (the Israeli side is marginally more willing).
How have such conflicts been resolved in the past?
What on earth makes you think Palestinians would be willing to share a country with Jews? Their whole idenity is about driving the Jews out of the region.
Who's going to make them accept a shared state? How?
the Israeli side is marginally more willing
I dont see any evidence of that at all.
If Israel stops the ongoing land theft, pays compensation and allows the right of return you may have a point. Israeli policy is we stole the land, expelled people and wont let them back. In the occupied territory the policy is best described as apartheid which is only sustained through violence. They can only maintain the status quo with the active help of the US
The brief glimmer of hope at Oslo was extinguished with a terrorist bullet and a reactionary government. I cant see the US ever changing its colonial policy towards the middle east.
I dont see any evidence of that at all.
The Israeli government left Gaza (including evacuating settlers that didn't want to leave).
What have Palestinians done that comes close to that in terms of mutual co-existence?
Who's better off, Palestinians or Israeli Arabs?
The Israeli response is something HAMAS is delighted with.
Hamas had the support of a majority of Palestnians.
I cant see the US ever changing its colonial policy towards the middle east.
Maybe if the region ever got it's sh7t together and showed it could run itself then that wouldn't be necessary. Until then...
The Israeli government left Gaza
Israel removed colonists and imposed a siege, not very egalitarian. Many of the refugees in Gaza have property deeds etc all verified by the UN but are banned from returning to their land and homes. Its disingenuous to blame Palestinians for this. The region has developed as it has because it has experienced continual interference by foreign powers to the detriment of the people who live there not because there is something wrong with the people. Not everywhere has to mirror Europe.
If you spent any time in Krakow you would see US military every day.
Oh the irony...I spent 24 years in Poland and never saw a Soviet soldier...
Why aren't US soldiers confined to one place? Why are they even there? Another trip wire?
Is there any evidence that Russia will ever want Poland - the country with the highest number of Russia-hating morons per square kilometer?
Would Poland send its army to defend the US? Of course not...So it's just another country on US military welfare...US MICC is giggling just like that idiot who lost to Trump.
Many of the refugees in Gaza have property deeds
What you or I think of it.... the right of return is never going to happen because it would make Israel majority muslim and then it will act like almost every other majority muslim country in the world and start oppressing non-muslims....
Germans aren't coming back to Poland or Czech republic (except as individuals with no claims on land or property) and Palestinians aren't going back to Israel.
disingenuous to blame Palestinians for this
Is it disingenuous to blame them for making themselves unwelcome in every other country that let them in?
Is it disingenuous to blame them for making themselves unwelcome in every other country that let them in?
Including Egypt and Jordan...hahahahahaha...that is beyond funny... Pals...we love you...just don't come here...
@mafketis
At least the Ukrainians are running the risk of being occupied by people they have been familiar with, if not kin with... whereas the Palestinians are being slowly occupied by the world's most toxic group of expats - who's views on the ordering of the cosmos are almost orthogonally opposed to those of Palestinians.
At least the Ukrainians are running the risk of being occupied by people they have been familiar with, if not kin with... whereas the Palestinians are being slowly occupied by the world's most toxic group of expats - who's views on the ordering of the cosmos are almost orthogonally opposed to those of Palestinians.
by people they have been familiar with, if not kin with.
No more. Imperial Russians have already proven they are able and willing to murder Ukrainians by millions. Ukrainians know it very well that is why they are still fighting. To the end. Your end, of course. Down with barbaric Russia!!!
PS. Hey, do you know when Kania is coming back????????????????? What did he tell you in PM???
Fine, let's examine your Putinesque thinking re Palestine and Ukraine.
And yet you don't mention the fake country of Palestine in your post......
Russian reclaims Ukraine because Russia has an historical claim to these lands.
No they don't.What makes you think that?Russia was created by Ukrainians, so, if anything, it's the other way round.
And BTW, there has NEVER been a free Palestine ruled by Palestinians!
Please study your history properly before you debate with me!