Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16

EU leaders fear Trump will make them pay for Ukraine - Bloomberg
Officials in Brussels are reportedly worried that they won't have enough weapons to give Kiev

European Union leaders are discussing whether they can afford to keep financing the Ukrainian military if US President-elect Donald Trump decides to pull Washington's support for Kiev, Bloomberg reported on Friday.

Hey, azholes, don't you have enough ink and paper? Print a trillion or two and the problem is solved. We are out of both...

US will abandon Ukraine - Orban
President-elect Donald Trump will withdraw from the conflict, and the EU cannot fund it alone, the Hungarian prime minister says

So much negativity in "abandon"...Let's call it a no-fault divorce...Z bit*ch was spending too much...every fvcking three month another 60 billion bucks...WTF...

@mafketis
Name calling from you? Go fvck yourself. Your point of view is not even worth discussing.

Ukraine has lost 30K men in the last three months under orders from the west to hold on in Kursk until the election was over. How dumb does that look now? How dumb will the last three years look when this war is settled at a negotiating table and the current lines of contact are just about where the new borders will be and Ukraine will be made neutral? This is whats going to happen. And then how happy will the survivors be to just be able to get on with their lives again and return home? All the discussion here about threats, and ideas never takes into account the real cost on the families and children who have had to deal with this. Keep fighting? For what? When some kid just wants his father home, or wants to return home. All the war mongering is just fvcking stupid.

Return to homes that will be in permanent danger from the next invasion ?

Return to kids who might themselves be called up when North Nigeria re-arms and invades again ?

Do you still acknowledge that Putler started this war ? Or have you now drifted to the point that you think the invasion was justified ?

@cms neuf
Of course Vlad started the war. Of course its illegal. It is horrid. It is everything bad any person could say. It is also killing fathers, sons, and brothers for nearly three years. And those here who are not on the front lines argue that it needs to continue because of some future imagined threat. Is the potential for another future war real? Yes. Is the potential that Vlad will die in the next decade real? Yes. Could you win the lottery tomorrow? Yes. All the guessing in the world will not save one life today or tomorrow.

The bottom line is Ukraine does not have the manpower to push Russia out. Thats it, nothing further needs to be said. Ukraine has a duty to defend itself but not to a point where it kills a generation of men that could be rebuilding the country. When this war ends, what happens with all the weapons that are missing? How many little militia's or terrorist groups will be buying up these items on the black market?

There will never be complete peace anywhere as long as war is pofitiable somewhere. With Poland buying up so much, isn't war a forgone conclusion at some point? Why buy if you never use? With all the manufacturing taking place around the world, something is bound to happen somewhere. The war machine needs eat in order to keep stock holders happy. I wonder how many democratic people around the world own stock in the US MIC companies?

Chances of me winning lotto ? In
Poland about 6 million to one

Chances of NN starting a war ? Well since 1900 they started 11 on their own plus plenty of proxy conflicts so I would say very high.

It's not just Putler who started them - Lenin, Brezhnev, Stalin, some Tsars, Yeltsin, Khrushchev. So it's absolutely senseless to think that Putler dying solves the problem

@cms neuf
And its senseless to think that after every US President except Trump that started a new war somewhere in the world would somehow be the bringer of peace. Historically, the US is at war throughout its entire existance. So based on your point, the US surely shouldnt be trusted by anyone, Germany especially. The past is not an indicator of the future. The windshield in your car is larger than the rearview mirror for a reason.

That is a poor comparison

Territorial wars started by the US ? Plenty in the 19th Century but none since the Spanish American war

An illegal and extremely misguided invasion of Iraq

Apart from that the US has not threatens its neighbors or tries to take their territory. But for the NNs that seems all they are interested in doing.

What wars has Biden started ? Or Obama ? Or Regan (except Grenada !)

Russians would. It means to them.


Fear is realistic because Trump isn`t here to sate EU. He came because certain European magnates proved to be dangerously greedy, ready to commit unprecedented crimes for it, violating global balance of power. So, somebody had to stop them. Plus, Russians would make EU pay for the Ukraine.

That is why EU these days hurry to integrate Serbia within the EU. Because Belgrade can give perspective where Brussels can`t.

But, Serbians would ask what about Vatican`s black nobility? To what USA, Russia and China would answer- What Vatican`s black nobility?

Then, changes will come and just then, maybe, EU would continue to exist. For some time at least.

...except for leftists...They are very predictable and that's why Trump will be president.

Collectively, America said: No fvcking way, bit*ch...

What a wonderful idea...

Euros, please don't trust the US and GFY...

Ukrainian soldiers increasingly deserting - Economist

Dying for "freedom and democracy" is stupid.

Dying for "freedom and democracy" a day before the war ends is really fvcking dumb...

The UA guys agree with me.

Poland is lucky. We all are. Russia practically saving us all from the papacy papci.

If you want to be credible you have to drop the papacy and the Vatican line.

At best, both are just annoying influencers...and a little above an average bimbo with fake tits.

I know that Poles aren`t ready to face facts. No problem. I can wait 100 years more.


Fec*ed up is the one who underestimated Opus Dei ie hand of Black Nobility.

Latin proverb - Wanna peace??? Prepare for war!!!

Trump's victory shatters the EU's illusion of American benevolence
Having been so happy to be Uncle Sam's passengers on a joyride, Western European leaders find themselves scrambling for the wheel

A short version of the above: EUGFY.

I like efficiency.

Memo to Western European leaders: Take a trip to your beaches and say hi to the black mob as they land there...

ha, ha. I so much agree. People likes to shoot at something and then in turn to be shoot at. So much fun in that. Even if fun take your arm or leg. Who gives a sh*t. You have the other one. Plus, you can always crawl like a worm.

No, you like attention first and foremost. :):):)

Arena offering more fun with every new day. Nazis, Korean robot soldiers, Islamic saviors from Chechnya, western European satanists, Jewish habad sect, Black brotherhood, cat people,... then also, killing with viruses, drones, with mobile phones, senile presidents, etc.

Super interesting.....first leaks out about Trumps peace plan for Ukraine:


telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/07/donald-trump-ukraine-peace-plan-british-troops-buffer-zone/


....it would be a start!

kyivindependent.com/trump-may-call-on-british-and-european-troops-to-patrol-buffer-zone-over-current-front-line-telegraph-reports/

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump may call on British and European troops to enforce a buffer zone that he would try to impose over the current front line in Ukraine, the Telegraph reported on Nov. 7, citing three Trump staffers.

Under one of the peace plans being considered by Trump, the current front line in Ukraine would be frozen, the Telegraph reported.

The U.S. would supply weapons to Ukraine to prevent Moscow from re-launching the war, according to the Telegraph. In exchange, Ukraine would agree not to pursue its ambition to join NATO for 20 years, the sources said.

Trump's plan does not include deploying U.S. troops to patrol the 1,200-kilometer buffer zone or providing U.S. financial support for the mission, the Telegraph reported.

"We can do training and other support but the barrel of the gun is going to be European," a member of Trump's team said, as cited by the Telegraph. "We are not sending American men and women to uphold peace in Ukraine. And we are not paying for it. Get the Poles, Germans, British and French to do it."

Sure...he is right with that!

Sounds like a deal to me!

Get lost! Another loonie like Bolton. What nonsense does he emit?
(not you BB, that dude)

It seems that are more like leaked opinions from Trumps people....I guess we have to wait till he is truly "in" the job come January for the real stuff....

Why would European troops go to enforce a buffer zone we don't agree with ? Trump is about to have a meeting with reality when he hears that we are not included in the 75 million morons who voted for him

All of them escalated wars. Regan who I admire, Iran Contra also comes to mind. Obama had his wars written about by Bob Woodward. Biden, well we see his terrible handling of Ukraine, Israel, Iran, and Syria.

If you want peace, prepare for war. This is always said by those who are ok with war. The problem is Poland and other EU countries are buying weapons with not enough troops to operate them. I personally would hope mandatory one year military service is brought back to Poland so everyone at least has some training on how to shoot and fight. Preparing for war is not simply about stockpiling weapons.


And why would the United States continue to fund a war it wants no part of? The European Union is about to have a meeting with reality that Ukraine is their problem and that 75 million Americans voted to stop dealing with the problem. The sword cuts both ways.

If Europe has to fund the war fine, but it makes way more sense and cheaper to send weapons rather than an open ended mission to police an unjust peace.

What wars have Reagan, Obama and Biden started ! You gave no examples - unless you think Biden started those 4 far away conflicts ?

Some of them overstate their importance.


trumpet doesn't realise that he won't get his way over this and that other countries' militaries do not exist to do his bidding.

And an armchair general like yourself has all the answers. Seek help for your TDS affliction.

No such thing.

It looks like 75 of the 300m million in that country are going to get a very rude shock when they realise that trumpet doesn't call the shots outside his own sphere.

Denial >