a sick Russophile
I've always admitted my warm feelings towards Russia and you constantly keep calling it "sick". So a question to you: why being a Russophile is sick and being a Ukrophile or Germanophile isn't? Both those nations also committed atrocities against Poles in the past, one might even argue that more (Germany) or proportionally more (Ukraine) than Russia. So why is there forgiveness only for them and not for Russia? Why is cms_neuf's illogical and blind hatred something that you tolerate and even condone as patriotic whilst you just can't stomach my sympathy for Russia? An honest question, Pawian.
You should be more concerned what lays in Poland's national interest.
Full-blown cynicism? Very well, let's go there.
How is strong Ukraine good for Poland? We have already witnessed their pride and "turbopatriotism" now when they are weak and in need. How will they behave when they are victorious and stronger? How is becoming stronger by a nation with an eternal chip on their shoulder against us good for Poland? Especially that their nationalism is so impenitent that they even refuse admitting the genocide they committed (not to even mention apologising for it).
How is Ukraine in the EU good for Poland? That would mean redirecting all forms of aid towards them, only made worse by the ominpresent corruption (think about all the billions drowned in Greece and multiply it by ten). How are our 20-acre farmers (or even the 500-acre ones) supposed to compete equally with Ukrainian 1000000-acre monster farms: Kernel Holding - 600000
hectares, UkrLandFarming 500000 ha, Agroprosperis - 470,000 ha, Mironowski Chleboprodukt - 370000 ha, Astarta 250000 ha etc. - there are 93 such agroholdings owned by the Dutch, Saudi and American capital (among others). If they are in the EU on equal conditions with us, our farmers are pretty much f*cked. How is that good for Poland?
How is Ukraine in NATO good for Poland? It would be a constant bone of contention with Russia and an eternal casus belli, destabilising the region. Also, what would NATO do in case of a conflict between Greece and Turkey? Difficult to say, isn't it? So what would NATO do if Ukraine was a member and one day they decided to regain the ancient Ukrainian land of "Закерзоння"? How is that good for Poland?
If we want to be full-time cynics, always only looking out for number one, then a smaller Ukraine (without Donbass and with limited access to the Black Sea), weaker, dependent on us, and being a demographic pool we can draw from, is a much better option, isn't it? The question is: do we want to be full-time, hard-headed cynics?
I think Bobko is right. It is all about emotions, deeply hidden complexes and anxieties rather than logic and cruel game of interests. There's simply too many things that are self-contradictory and irrational about people's attitude towards this war to conclude otherwise.