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How could PiS better spend billions instead of 500+ ?


amiga500
18 May 2023 #151
one of the most popular influencers on the Polish internet

Yes I heard on tok fm that konfederacja is very big on youth social media these days, this guy is just a konfa fool wacked out on amfeta/mefedron and steroids, and for you to post it demonstrates a comparable level of inteligence.
Paulina
18 May 2023 #152
this guy is just a konfa fool wacked out on amfeta/mefedron and steroids

Really? How do you know this? I don't follow him, so I don't anything about his political views. But, surely, you must have some proof to back it up? :)

and for you to post it demonstrates a comparable level of inteligence.

Well, judging by what he's saying in this video, he ain't stupid, so I'll treat it as a compliment, thanks :) Btw, did you at least bother to watch those two videos? What do you disagree or agree with? Any thoughts, counterarguments, besides trashing that Dziki Trener guy (and my level of intelligence)? :)
Paulina
18 May 2023 #153
Btw, I like how he summed up a segment of Polish society (PiS voters mainly, I guess):

"Dej! Dej!"

Translation:

"Gimme! Gimme!" (money)

;D

😂
amiga500
18 May 2023 #154
He's saying that the goverment is not giving them/you 800+ it comes from our/my pocket and given to people who don't deserve it. it is the typical neo-liberal konfa line

also he said taxes will go up can't you stupid people see this , funny when 500+ was introduced taxes did not up as the POrks said but went down instead!

This Dziki Palant does not realise he is paying one of the lowest business tax and income tax in europe!

Also the PO fake economists said that 500+ would stop people from working and just bludge, well why is unemployment the lowest in modern poland history and lowest in europe. Introducing child care which is normal in civilised countries elicits such a stupid response from people i will never know. I guess some people are just selfish c*nts.

I like how he summed up a segment of Polish society (PiS voters mainly, I guess):

Yes I am very aware of your contemptuous and hateful attitudes towards your fellow poles, You sound just like Tusk who recently said PiS voters were pathological, who drink, beat their children, beat women and have not worked for many years.

Disgusting, divisive behaviour from both you and traitor tusk, but i guess if that's how you get your jollies, hejter towards 50 percent of poland.
Lenka
18 May 2023 #155
Introducing child care

What child care?
Paulina
18 May 2023 #157
also he said taxes will go up

Because they will go up:

rp.pl/budzet-i-podatki/art37686901-podatkowe-bicie-po-kieszeni-polakow-2023-przyniesie-dotkliwe-podwyzki

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Podwyzki-podatkow-w-2023-roku-8463959.html

Introducing child care which is normal in civilised countries

If those countries can afford it, right?

Yes I am very aware of your contemptuous and hateful attitudes towards your fellow poles (...) Disgusting, divisive behaviour

You must've mistaken me with PiS politicians :)))

I'm just laughing (through tears) at how easy it is to buy voters in our country.
And I think this Dziki Trener is right, unfortunately - those voters don't think what will happen tomorrow or in some future with our country's finances.

You think that where the government will get money for all of this (I don't only mean 800+, but also military spending, etc.)? Who will pay for all of this? How? Do you know? Could you enlighten me?
johnny reb
18 May 2023 #158
Disgusting, divisive behaviour from both you and traitor tusk, but i guess if that's how you get your jollies

Yes, they both like to diminish their opponents when they disagree by stomping their feet and hissing to get their jollies to disguise their butt hurt.

Mans inhumanity to Man, simply disgusting.
PiS is doing wonders to rebuild Poland and it takes money to do it.
Quit your whiny insults and start being a patriot by backing your elected officials.

Who will pay for all of this?

So far the E.U. and the U.S.A.
Now it's time for the Polish people to get their noses out of the public trough and pony up.
NOW do you understand why us Americans are so frustrated with OUR TAX MONEY being used to defend you while we leave our own borders open ?
Paulina
18 May 2023 #159
PiS is doing wonders to rebuild Poland and it takes money to do it.

They are giving away taxpayers money on social benefits. It's funny that you support this when it's being done by PiS in Poland, but when Democrats do sth like Obamacare in the US you criticise that and call them "commies".

Quit your whiny insults and start being a patriot by backing your elected officials.

Like you with Biden?? :D 🤦
PolAmKrakow
18 May 2023 #160
PiS has helped a lot of people with 500+. They should get credit for that. But there are a lot of wealthy families getting that same money and will get the same boost to 800+, and that is fvcking terrible management of public money.

PiS is bad for small business and they are killing companies with taxes. VAT overpayment refunds are now discretionary at the tax office. If the local tax office believes the VAT overpayment should not be refunded because in their opinion it wont effect the business they no longer have to give it back. That VAT overpayment money is what a lot of small business use to build their business every year. This will force more places to close up.

ZUS is now at 42%! 42 fvcking ppercent! Even if you want to pay someone 10K a month, your real cost is 14.2K! This for a healthcare and retirement system that is completely fvcked.

PiS has done a great job in protecting against stupid immigration policies and they should get credit for it. The have other good family policies as well. Yes, unemployment is insanely low. That is a double edged sword though because it is driving labor costs sky high and its at a much higher rate than inflation. I paid 39 zl for two chicken breast last night at the market that used to cost 25 last year.

As for running this country though, PiS will bankrupt the country, and they are a financial disaster. While I understand you guys cant walk the streets here and see whats going on, the financial picture for small business, the largest sector of employment, is bleak at best.
amiga500
18 May 2023 #161
This for a healthcare and retirement system that is completely fvcked.

I agree, this is the issue of Poland since 1989, and will take decades to fix. Unless you are advocating for getting rid of ZUS and forcing people onto private health insurance exclusively, then Konfederacja has your vote. Getting rid of 800+ and lowering ZUS by say 10 percent does not seem wise either.

As for running this country though, PiS will bankrupt the country, and they are a financial disaster.

Oxford Economics disagrees.

Poland's large surpluses and growth in services trade stand out, overtaking Czechia and Slovakia (much smaller economies). On top of transport (famous Polish haulage companies) and travel, IT and R&D exports have been booming. Poland is moving up the value chain. 🚀

Perhaps most impressively, Poland's booming economy, which has outperformed all others, recorded the smallest current account deficit in the region last year. And this without any EU Recovery Fund transfers 👀
johnny reb
18 May 2023 #162
It's funny that you support this when it's being done by PiS in Poland,

The difference is that PiS are giving it to the Polish people and Democrats are giving it to the 13 million illegal people in our country that never paid a dime in.

You know how the Americans have complained about our tax money (Trillions) being spent militarily (NATO) to protect Europe/Poland.
And you laugh and say, we have free healthcare and free college and you don't.
Well Love, it's time for a reality check that the gravy train is over and Poland will be tightening their belt and start paying their own way.

See how you like it and the howling has started already, just wait as it is only going to get worse no matter which party is running Poland.

Don't be deceived by the crutch lie that it is PiS fault to pass the blame.
Now that everyone in Poland has a flush toilet it is time you start supporting yourselves.
Tighten your belts and grab your bootstraps.

Like you with Biden?? :D

biden was elected by the C.I.A., not the people, (guess you haven't heard yet) so he is not our elected president and we really need one in a bad way.
amiga500
18 May 2023 #163
But there are a lot of wealthy families getting that same money and will get the same boost to 800+, and that is fvcking terrible management of public money.

What's worse is the total lack of personal responsibility by those wealthy families, who in the same breath attack 500+, say it's handouts for wife beating drunks etc, and at the same time take the money that they are saying should be refused to the poor! As an economist on polsat news said if you are accepting 500+ then you should shut your mouth before criticising it! From the start PiS said if you don't need it then you have a choice to not get it!

is only going to get worse no matter which party is running Poland.

You are very wrong, the future has never been brighter for poland, and anyway if the nuclear bombs fall the future will be an even brighter incandescent light. ;)
OP pawian
18 May 2023 #164
if you are accepting 500+ then you should shut your mouth before criticising it!

Of course not. Today PiS is indebting Poland in order to give out all benefits. In the future our kids will have to repay all those debts. It is completely fair that rich families should receive the benefit for their kids, too. Ha!

It seems this socialist attitude you displayed before is deeply rooted in you. Be gone, you bolshevik loser. :):):) If you aren`t able to raise kids with your own means, then don`t have them. Preying on other people to maintain you and your family isn`t really a pleasure - it is a nuisance. Simple. ):):)
OP pawian
18 May 2023 #165
The difference is that PiS are giving it to the Polish people and Democrats are giving it to the 13 million illegal

Bolox. Stop lying. In the US poor Americans also get benefits while in Poland Ukrainian refugees do.
johnny reb
18 May 2023 #166
Bolox. Stop lying

You stop lying you liar.
I was talking about people who have entered our country illegal (13 million welfare immigrants), not the 15 million refugees.
OP pawian
18 May 2023 #167
I was talking about people who have entered our country illega

No, you claimed that PiS gives benefits only to Polish people and that was a lie coz Ukrainians aren`t Polish and they also get benefits.
Paulina
18 May 2023 #168
From the start PiS said if you don't need it then you have a choice to not get it!

LOL! It shouldn't be a "choice", because it's obvious that people who don't really need it may abuse it then. Who will stop them? Noone. While those money could be spent where they're REALLY needed - on health care (child psychiatric care is in severe crisis in Poland), the police which is underfunded and indebted, increasing benefits for people taking care of disabled family members, etc. There are really better ways to spend those money. It's not like everything is so great in Poland that you can just waste away public money like that.

The difference is that PiS are giving it to the Polish people and Democrats are giving it to the 13 million illegal people in our country

Are you saying that American citizens are forbidden from using Obamacare or some kind of social benefits in the US? I'm sure that's not the case lol

biden was elected by the C.I.A., not the people,

Sure, johnny_reb, sure ;D:

crazy
PolAmKrakow
18 May 2023 #169
@amiga500
You and I both know Oxford economics and the GDP numbers are not indicative of what is taking place in the average persons economic life. While I agree that the big picture looks good, it does not account for spending. The booming economy is largely through government owned industry and not through small business. Surplus now with billions of military purchasing contracts that will have to be paid in the future that the surplus does not cover.

We all know small business is what drives a healthy economy. It is a fact everywhere. PiS needs to explain three years running of record business closures and bankruptcy filings.

The 800+ should be based on need, and not for everyone. Financial need as determined by your income. Anything less than that is simply an act of being lazy, and trying to buy votes. Any home making less than 10K per month combined income or something. When my friends making 50K a month get another 1500 for three kids per month and you cant opt out, it is used for beer money. Its a joke.

With ZUS, you know almost everyone under 50 already buys their own private insurance. ZUS is being robbed for other spending, and it keeps going up. Imagine paying 42%. Realy think about it if you were a business owner. You have no incentive to hire people and if you do, you have a whole lot of incentive to pay them off the books or the lowest wage possible.

This is a tax and spend government. While I think they have some good intentions, they are a disaster of management. That said, I wont vote for Tusk, he will be a bigger disaster.
johnny reb
18 May 2023 #170
No, you claimed that PiS gives benefits only to Polish people

Yes and the refugees as does America PLUS the illegal WEFARE IMMIGRANTS.
Big difference.
Anymore hairs to spilt ?

Are you saying that American citizens are forbidden from using Obamacare or some kind of social benefits in the US?

No, you are insinuating that for the sake of another argument.

Sure, johnny_reb, sure

I guess it takes the news a little longer to get to Poland.
OP pawian
18 May 2023 #171
Yes and the refugees

Now much better. :):)

Big difference

Nope, practically no difference. It only shows your amasing hypocrisy when you praise PiS and critisize Mr President Biden for doing the same thing, namely giving out benefits to millions although it creates huge burden on the economy and increases debt.
johnny reb
18 May 2023 #172
@pawian

practically no difference.

Practically is the key word.
Huge difference between Welfare immigrants and Refugees.
One has a choice to stay home, the other doesn't.
PiS should be praised for the wonderful job that they are doing.
biden is doing just the opposite.
OP pawian
18 May 2023 #173
PiS should be praised for the wonderful job that they are doing.
biden is doing just the opposite

Little hypocrite. :):):)
amiga500
19 May 2023 #174
The 800+ should be based on need, and not for everyone. Financial need as determined by your income.

I agree with you, but where we are where we are, actually if it was means tested, the accusations that PiS was trying to buy votes with it's Poland B electorate would actually be a lot stronger, I think they made it universal and voluntary at the start was to fend off that accusation that it's for the stupid, unemployed alcoholic, wife beating PiS voter, and it's too late to reverse now. I think it would be a smart move.

When my friends making 50K a month get another 1500 for three kids per month and you cant opt out,

I don't know what your rich friends told you, but it's opt-in and you have to apply every year, so now we're back to the ethical and personal responsibility of rich families taking government child support when they don't need it, I have less of a problem with that, that if they're also bi*tching about PiS and handouts whilst taking 500+! that's the height of hypocrisy!
PolAmKrakow
19 May 2023 #175
@amiga500
LOL they are PiS supporters, and I didnt know you had to opt in every year. That said, it could easily become need based every year at the opt in time. PiS doesnt care how they look about buying votes anyway. Opting in at any income under 50K per household annually? Even though in most cities 50K you can live well, and in the country you can live very well at that amount.

My concern primarily is the debt that this country will have and will be discovered when PiS is out of office one day. They continue to use US style accounting and the debt for the country is going to be astronomical.
gumishu
19 May 2023 #176
and I didnt know you had to opt in every y

I confirm, you have to reapply each year
amiga500
19 May 2023 #177
LOL they are PiS supporters,

Well that is good to hear, my faith in the krakow entrepreneurial class has been restored ;)
jon357
19 May 2023 #178
entrepreneurial class

Such a polite term for 'free-market' grifters.
Kashub1410
19 May 2023 #179
@jon357
What is a "free market" grifter? Never heard about it before
PolAmKrakow
19 May 2023 #180
@jon357
Sorry you have not been as successful as those of us that work hard, and are committed to relying on ourselves and not the state. Those of us in this class pay more taxes than anyone else. The "grifter" is the government who takes our money and gives it to the socialists who want to leach off the system.


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