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Polish People STILL denied US Entry


Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #31
I see more benefit for the Polish government to keep Poland out of the VWP than in it.

What would the Polish government gain ?

What does the USA have to lose by keeping Poland out of the VWP? The 10% that are refused a visa hardly would make any difference financially for the USA regarding tourist revenue and if anything, the US embassy continues to collect application fees from Poles by making them apply for the visa.

Why would the Polish government even consider to ask to keep Poland out of the VWP?

The USA certainly isnt doing its best to prevent them from entering though.
I would think keeping their troops in the US (maybe near the borders) would be better than fighting wars half a world away.

Is not about preventing them from entering. The problem statrts with the internal policy, in short there is no one integrated policy regarding illegal immigrants.

Some jurisdictions aren't prosecuting illegals because they value more they cheap labour than anything else.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #32
But percentage wise youve still got a good percentage of people who want to attack Iran

This simply isn't true.

What would the Polish government gain ?

Why would the Polish government even consider to ask to keep Poland out of the VWP?

I've already answered this several times on this thread. Why are you asking me again.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #33
I've already answered this several times on this thread. Why are you asking me again.

Because I thought that you come up with something else. As your reasoning that they are worried that population will leave in mass !
First of all they do not think in that categories.
Secondly It makes no sense:
Poles can leave freely and work legally in most of the EU countries. You are not saying that they would preferred to become illegals in the USA over their legal status in the EU?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #34
You are not saying that they would preferred to become illegals in the USA over their legal status in the EU?

again, I've already covered this.

Ask a Pole who came to the USA in the last say.....4-5 years and is staying there illegally and ask him/her why they are doing that instead of living somewhere in the EU legally. Let them tell you.

Hey Ironside, do you have a US passport?
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #35
Ask a Pole who came to the USA in the last say.....4-5 years and is staying there illegally and ask him/her why they are doing that instead of living somewhere in the EU legally. Let them tell you.

Yeah for those that are already there that may well be the truth. Even some from those living in the EU countries would be tempted to move given chance but there wouldn't be any mass migration. No way, the migration power of Poles is spent!

Nevertheless what it has to do with the Polish government? From their point of view it makes no difference whereas Poles migrate to the EU country or the USA? What gives ?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #36
Even some from those living in the EU countries would be tempted to move given chance.....

I'll let you answer your own question.......why would they be tempted to move?
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #37
We are talking about alleged intervention of the Polish government urging the USA to keep Poland out of the VWP.
You still think that plausible ?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #38
You completely avoided the question.

Stop asking me questions I've already answered.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
10 Jan 2012 #39
This article appeared in the Chicago Tribune 2 1/2 months ago. It was authored by David Harris who is the executive director of the American Jewish Committee.

mobile.baltimoresun.com/p.p?a=rp&postId=1018405&m=b&sessionToken=&postUserId=54

President Obama will appeal to Polish American voters this summer and will lift restrictions. It's the political thing to do and no previous president has appealed to 'block' voters like this one has.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #40
You completely avoided the question.

Yes ! that is not the issue we discus !

Stop asking me questions I've already answered.

Well, I point out to you that it is very unlikely.

President Obama will appeal to Polish American voters this summer and will lift restrictions. It's the political thing to do and no previous president has appealed to 'block' voters like this one has.

No need for that, I'm sure Tusk will claim this as his success !
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #41
I read the article.

"That would hurt our economy, which needs as many friendly visitors as possible visiting our shores."

Most Poles that come to visit the US for a week or two spend next to no money. They stay with relatives/cheap motels. Maybe they'll buy an iPod or something but other than that, the US makes more revenue collecting application fees for Visas over in Krakow/Warsaw.

As for wealthy Poles that actually will spend money, they always get the visa to come visit the USA anyway so I see no financial gain in letting the 10% that get denied come to the USA as tourists.

This is not an argument to keep Poland out of the VWP, I just see no financial gain in doing so for the USA. I do however see a possible financial loss for Poland because with every Pole that up and leaves Poland for the USA or anywhere for that matter, that's one less ZUS/tax payer for the Polish government. It's actually a double whammy for Poland because chances are, they paid for that person's education as well so it's a total loss for Poland.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #42
I just see no financial gain in doing so for the USA.

Neither do I. Thats is not the point!

I do however see a possible financial loss for Poland because with every Pole that up and leaves Poland for the USA or anywhere for that matter, that's one less ZUS/tax payer for the Polish government. It's actually a double whammy for Poland because chances are, they paid for that person's education as well so it's a total loss for Poland.

Hey ! !! The same goes for Poles leaving for the EU countries! Do you think that there are many Poles in Poland who would immigrate illegally to the USA?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #43
Do you think that there are many Poles in Poland who would immigrate illegally to the USA?

Let's not ignore the obvious. There are a lot of Poles in Poland that have a lot of friends and family living in the USA. If a Pole living in Poland wanted to leave Poland to live elsewhere and he had the choice of the UK, Germany, Spain....places that they don't have friends and family OR the USA, a place where they can immediately have a place to live, a social network, possible employment connections right away.....it could be the deciding factor. Even though plenty of Poles live in the UK now with family and friends in Poland, the UK still can't compare to the Polish roots that exist in the USA.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #44
Let's not ignore the obvious

Yes but there is a fact that you overlooked,they would be illegals there,
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
10 Jan 2012 #45
dude....come on. I'm saying if they opened the doors for Poles. If they were in the VWP. This is hypothetical.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #46
This is hypothetical.

What of it > you mean because that all is hypothetical we cannot discus it properly ?
krakow73 1 | 6
10 Jan 2012 #47
Go to England, or Ireland, or Austria, its closer, besides we got enough Poles at Belmont and Central and Harlem and Archer - the Chicago Poles know what I'm sayin'!!!
Ironside 49 | 10,481
10 Jan 2012 #48
Go and take a long walk on a short pier !
Midas 1 | 571
10 Jan 2012 #49
Go to England, or Ireland, or Austria, its closer, besides we got enough Poles at Belmont and Central and Harlem and Archer - the Chicago Poles know what I'm sayin'!!!

You one of them "burak's" who never found out that the iron curtain went down?
tygrys 3 | 296
11 Jan 2012 #50
Go to England, or Ireland, or Austria, its closer, besides we got enough Poles at Belmont and Central and Harlem and Archer - the Chicago Poles know what I'm sayin'!!!

Great suggestion. Why do Poles so badly want to come here anyway? Is it for the fact that because it's harder for them to get here, they want to come here even more? Why do they look at others, saying "they can do this and "we" can't?" Why don't Poles do something in their own country instead of moving to other countries? All the Poles I know in Chicago are thieves, liers and they steal. They are dishonest and don't respect our laws, like going back when their visa expires.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
11 Jan 2012 #51
Why do Poles so badly want to come here anyway?

Why the hell not?

Is it for the fact that because it's harder for them to get here, they want to come here even more?

Poles like a challenge.

Why do they look at others, saying "they can do this and "we" can't?"

Because they know that anything any other humans are allowed to do is allowed to Poles, because Poles are as good, or better, than any other humans on Earth. It is true tygrys. Weep if you must, but you know it's true.

Why don't Poles do something in their own country instead of moving to other countries?

Poles like to travel and **** off uptight people around the globe.
AngelNC 2 | 85
11 Jan 2012 #52
Poles like to travel and **** off uptight people around the globe.

Poles don't just travel (most of them anyway), they go abroad to make money, that's all.
Meathead 5 | 470
11 Jan 2012 #53
From their point of view it makes no difference whereas Poles migrate to the EU country or the USA? What gives ?

Because the Polish Government cannot control Poles immigrating to the EU but they have a good relationship with the US Government.
Babinich 1 | 455
11 Jan 2012 #54
President Obama will appeal to Polish American voters this summer and will lift restrictions. It's the political thing to do and no previous president has appealed to 'block' voters like this one has.

appealed/manipulated... You like potato and I like potahto...

That honor goes to FDR in 1944
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
13 Jan 2012 #55
Because the Polish Government cannot control Poles immigrating to the EU but they have a good relationship with the US Government.

another reason why i think Poles would be very drawn to the USA if Poland gained VWP privelidges is because Poles are more widely accepted in the USA compared to the UK. you see plenty of hate threads on here, brits saying they want Poles to leave, that they take up jobs, are the cause of crime, etc., yet in the USA, you simply don't hear that crap. Poles have been coming here for so long that they're like anyone else, no difference to most americans. Hell, a lot of the people you run into in the USA have polish roots anyhow so they're not going to have any animosity towards Poles just for being Poles. In the UK though, Poles are still looked at as "different".
Ironside 49 | 10,481
13 Jan 2012 #56
another reason why i think Poles would be very drawn to the USA

We are not discussing whether Poles would be drawn to the USA or not but whether the Polish Government would bother to ask the USA not to include Poland in the VWP?!

So far you have provided no arguments, so I must conclude that you have nothing to support your claim.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
13 Jan 2012 #57
I must conclude that you have nothing to support your claim.

what claim? what arguments? what am I arguing?

hey Ironside, make some fukcing sense already.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
14 Jan 2012 #58
what am I arguing?

You are arguing that the USA is more attractive than Poland. You are an idiot.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
14 Jan 2012 #59
You've made up your mind, you don't like me and think I'm the "typical arrogant american" and that's fine, think what you want. Just stop repeating yourself because you sound ridiculous. I could post that I like to take walks in the park and you'd somehow tie that to me hating Poland and trumpeting the USA. You are without a doubt the dullest pi$$ and moaner on this board, it's so completely boring reading your remarks, they make my head hurt they're so pointless. I think I'll just start ignoring you for now on, you're not worth my time.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
14 Jan 2012 #60
You've made up your mind, you don't like me and think I'm the "typical arrogant american"

Not really, I think that you are simple but cleaver enough to fool me for some time I grant you that, have a fun ignoring me.

You are arguing that the USA is more attractive than Poland. You are an idiot.

Why don't you start arguing that water is wet?As I said - simple


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