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Polish People STILL denied US Entry


FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
14 Jan 2012 #61
have a fun ignoring me.

"have a fun".

I forgot about that one!

awesome.
Meathead 5 | 470
14 Jan 2012 #62
In the UK though, Poles are still looked at as "different".

Very True. Most Americans' roots are English, Scot, Irish, German/Polish. Many immigrants in the 19th century thought to be German were actually Polish.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
14 Jan 2012 #63
awesome.

see what I mean ?you love me.
tygrys 3 | 296
19 Jan 2012 #64
Because the Polish Government cannot control Poles immigrating to the EU but they have a good relationship with the US Government.

That's the whole idea. Once the Poles are free to travel to the US, they will leave Poland. And knowing how they don't follow the rules about returning, they will stay here illegally, they will hook up with some Polish illegal company, who will pay them cash so they won't need a SS card and avoid paying taxes. Once they lose their job, they will be living behind a dumpster and drinking themselves to sleep. Sorry, but see too many illegal Poles living this way. It would be a disaster for Poland to allow Poles to travel to the US. I hope they never abolish the visas because that is the only way to control their population.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
19 Jan 2012 #65
That's the whole idea. Once the Poles are free to travel to the US, they will leave Poland.

eh? you are dummy.
polishmama 3 | 279
19 Jan 2012 #67
If you are a U.S. Citizen, you can contact your Congressman regarding this and support:

S.497
Secure Travel and Counterterrorism Partnership Program Act of 2011

opencongress.org/bill/112-s497/show

and

H.R.959
Secure Travel and Counterterrorism Partnership Program Act of 2011

opencongress.org/bill/112-h959/show

It takes 5 minutes of your time. And it would actually make a difference.

~Kasia
polishmama 3 | 279
19 Jan 2012 #69
That would only be true because people like to complain and do nothing to actually make a difference. It's not dead yet. If people take 5 minutes, instead of say, watching tv or something else like that, and contact their Congressman and actually speak up, it could happen. But sitting back and complaining where your Congressman cannot hear or be held accountable for ignoring your wishes, well yes, then it won't happen.

"The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones." ― Confucius
RoughFlavors 1 | 100
19 Jan 2012 #70
lol, bring a dead guy in support of a dead bill...

i'm all in favor of a visa waiver for Poland, but the bill hasn't made it anywhere near a subcommittee, and the only person actively speaking in favor of it is a rep from Chicagoland... if i were running in Chicago, i would ooze support for it, too, but it all doesn't change the fact that jesus himself couldn't resurrect this bill now. perhaps, call it tabled, if it makes you feel better...
polishmama 3 | 279
19 Jan 2012 #71
popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr959/report#nation

Map of supporters. Note FL and New Mexico oppose it, two states long known for their xenophobia. Just sayin'.
RoughFlavors 1 | 100
19 Jan 2012 #72
for real?! LOL, your "Map of Supporters" consists of 17 (seventeen) individual votes over the past 10 months... you're arguing against your own point. just sayin'.
polishmama 3 | 279
19 Jan 2012 #73
You're a pessimist. I respect that. Anyway, people can contact their Congressman if they want to. I added the info above for anyone interested.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
20 Jan 2012 #74
wow. you really told him.

Yes, I don't insult people with a real life problems; Impaired mental capabilities for example.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
20 Jan 2012 #75
Many immigrants in the 19th century thought to be German were actually Polish.

Those immigrants were German nationals of Polish ethnicity.
RoughFlavors 1 | 100
20 Jan 2012 #76
tell me more about that mistaken ethnicity? thought to be German by whom? the Americans?
TheOther 6 | 3,818
20 Jan 2012 #77
thought to be German by whom? the Americans?

The authorities at the US port of entry usually recorded the country of birth/ nationality. Since Poland didn't exist at that time, ethnic Poles entered the country as German nationals (or Russian or Austrian for that matter).

Example of a ship manifest:
berecz.us/tutorial/mno/Fig-2-1.gif
RoughFlavors 1 | 100
20 Jan 2012 #78
that's pretty interesting. technically, they were German nationals. Or Russian. Certainly the immigration clerks weren't interested in the nuances of border shifts in Europe. And I'm sure the immigrants themselves didn't care much what the form said.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
20 Jan 2012 #79
And I'm sure the immigrants themselves didn't care much what the form said.

I believe they were just happy to have finally arrived at their destination. National pride was for sure secondary at that moment, although most immigrants kept their traditions.
RoughFlavors 1 | 100
20 Jan 2012 #80
lol, they'd probably be happy with "Chinese" just to get it over with. and then they they took their suitcases and trunks and proceeded to set up their Czestochowas and Panna Marias...
TheOther 6 | 3,818
20 Jan 2012 #81
Exactly. :)

Oh, by the way: if you're interested in this, check out the Ellis Island web site at ellisisland.org
rybnik 18 | 1,462
20 Jan 2012 #82
This visa thing was a very sensitive topic for my cousin. I was embarrased. When I asked him if he would come to visit me this summer he replied "Why? Your government won't give me a visa anyway"............He's got his own business and he's 50 years old. I think he'd get one.
Meathead 5 | 470
20 Jan 2012 #83
This whole VISA thing is weird. Does Obama really need Congressional approval for this visa thingy for Poland? I would think it's a foreign policy issue and reserved for the Secretary of State.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
20 Jan 2012 #84
Does Obama really need Congressional approval for this visa thingy for Poland?

That's how the process works, yes.

"Why? Your government won't give me a visa anyway"

Technically that's incorrect. They'll give him a visa if he fits their criteria, just like about 90% of all Polish applicants last year.
RoughFlavors 1 | 100
20 Jan 2012 #85
check out the Ellis Island web site

way cool, thanks, TO!
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
20 Jan 2012 #86
blog.heritage.org/2012/01/19/time-to-admit-poland-into-the-visa-waiver-program/

According to the article, in 2010, 152,000 poles came to the USA on a non-immigrant visa (tourist visa) and it also includes that long sought after number, "Overstay rate" which was 2 percent in 2010, or roughly 3,040.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
21 Jan 2012 #87
Couldn't you find a better source? Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity - two of the biggest nutjobs in America - are amongst the members of the dubious Heritage Foundation.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
21 Jan 2012 #88
Couldn't you find a better source?

Honestly, it's the first attempt I've seen at quantifying the "overstay" percentage so I posted it. People constantly request it on here so there you go.
TheOther 6 | 3,818
21 Jan 2012 #89
Fair enough. I'm just a little bit worried that "support" by the Heritage Foundation will be to the disadvantage of Poland rather than to the advantage.
Ironside 49 | 10,481
21 Jan 2012 #90
2 percent in 2010, or roughly 3,040.

per annum:)
Horrible :D
How many Mexicans crosses the USA border every day? 10 000 ? 30 000?more?

I think that the USA should keep Poland as the only country from the EU excluded from the VWP ! That is a very good lesson for Poles.


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