Pawel Adamowicz, Gdansk mayor, dies after stabbing

The assassin is mental but he knew what he was doing in 2017. After all appellations, he got life, with parole option after 40 years.
PiS gangsters had their dirty hands in that murder.

What BS is that? First of all, he was at war with his people at the time (PO). Second of all responsibility for the security by the law belonged to Owsiak.

He is directly responsible.
Blaming it on PiS is a rotten lie.

Is fully correct. It was PiS filthy media which ran a dirty campaign against Adamowicz. The mental guy watched it in his cell while doing time for his previous offences and got more and more winded up.

So, you are lying when you senselessly defend PiS gangsters now. In 2019 you were still an emigrant expat in North America so you know nothing about what was happening here.

Whenever I see that face, I imagine Iron sports a pretty similar facial expression.

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This one is silent, the other one shouts curses

Check those wolfie eyes. Typical Tusk. Or Iron. hahahaha

Comparing Iron to Tusk is probably the biggest insult to him.

No, it isn`t. Both are tough guys. :):): The only difference is that Tusk is extremely intelligent while Iron is an imbecile. :):):)

That is pure speculation and conjunctions as nothing beside it. To prove some correlation in the case of someone who is a certified loon you need to have more. All you have is direct hate propaganda and lies of dirty little PO supporters with their rotten souls and small lizard brains.

I know how fond you are of grammatical constructs, but that would be conjecture :)


And yet it's thanks to him that you now find yourself in the position of having to deal with the fallout from the 'no homework' policy for which the education system is ill-prepared. It was he who mooted it in the first place. When you make foolish promises to get votes you then have to deliver on them.I'm afraid it's another example of populist policies that lead at best nowhere and at worst to disaster. As I've often said, they're all as bad as each other in different ways.

Thank you, both look very similar to my dyslectic eye, not that I would not what conjunction is in grammatical order.
Although I should have known better remembering that phrase the conjunction of spheres,
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Because he doesn't care what is going to happen to Poland and in Poland, in his world, He lies, makes empty promises, and makes all and any decisions to harm Polish interests.

I wouldn't know anything about grammar let alone grammatical constructs.

*sighs*

Iron... Tusk may not be our ideal, dreamed-of and cherished Prime Minister but the alternative was PiS with Morawiecki as PM, and PiS since the outbreak of the war in the east was a complete and utter disaster. I'm not going to even mention how Zelensky played with those half-wits and wiped the floor with them ("servants of Ukrainian nation", "victims of Volhyn", "players in the Putin's theatre" etc.). I won't mention that because you don't kick a retard when he's lying on the ground. Basic fair play.

But they did something worse.

They were antagonizing Germany - our biggest import/export partner and the most important country in the EU in terms of political influence. Let this properly sink in, Iron: Russia invades Ukraine and there is a war raging next to our borders; in America Trump is getting ready to come back to power, V4 - and with it the Intermarium - for all intents and purposes ceases to exist (Orban and Fico playing their own games), and meanwhile the idiots are antagonizing Germany. And what for? Well, hopefully it was only to score some brownie points with their most primitive iron electorate, but their intentions might as well have been much more sinister (taking into account their hatred of the EU). Do you remember what Bobko said about a possible future of Polish-Russian alliance? He said: "I suppose we will have to wait for PiS to come back to power for that to happen" (or something along these lines). It never ceases to amaze me how this Russian kid can read Polish politics so well.

Anyways, I'll write it in points, for the less bright readers. Here's the situation:

1. Russia is playing a crazy last chance gambit to restore their superpower status.
2. The United States of America are likely to go into splendid isolation (or at least a form of it)*.
3. Polish volatile Intermarium chessboard pieces (even if only virtual) are falling apart with even the core of it - the V4 - practically ceasing to exist with pro-Russian Fico in Slovakia and Orban (Putin's Trojan Horse) keeping Hungary in his grip, and with it any illusions of Polish independent sphere of influence cease to exist as well.

What does PiS do in this situation? They do everything to antagonize Germany - our ally, neighbour and the most important trade partner. Idiocy is too light a word.

So, the victory of pro-European and pro-German Tusk is the best thing that could happen in the circumstances. Poland will again fall back in line with the EU's core, which will increase our safety and ensure larger extent of aid when the sh*t hits the fan. Tusk is neither a saviour, as Pawian thinks, nor a traitor as you think (although Pawian is a bit closer to the truth in this case). He is simply a mainstream European politician, a technocrat for whom the modernisation, development and safety of Poland is more important than some silly romantic dreams (not to mention open anti-EU antics of PiS).

* - and anyway, even if they don't go into isolation, there are at least two things more important to the USA than Poland - one is Taiwan and the domination in the Pacific, and the second is Germany (the EU), the strongest US ally (whoever thinks that America will endanger their position in the Pacific or risk their alliance with Germany for Poland, because of Kościuszko and Pułaski, freedom, democracy or whatever else, is a retard (a romantic one but still).

He's not my favourite politician either however he does have integrity and ability

In speeches and statements I've seen him playing the hard guy. I suspect that's just for the optics and in reality he's more thoughtful and decent.


Many many things. There's a lot to worry about in the world right now.

I suspect we'll see them concentrating on South America sooner or later.and for sure they'll be nice to Canada and certain west African countries l.

He just sent some more Polish equipment To Ukraine for free! So, how he is better?
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They won't!
Also, Germany is in no position to help Poland even if for a moment t we would assume that they would like to.
Tusk is not in any policy I know of better than PiS and quite a few are even worse, we talked about it, and you told me to wait and see, well I can see.

Germany and the EU like Tusk and his cronies because he bends backwood for them and lets Poland be F without soap.

Remember I-S that as far as Poland is concerned, the EU is an "us" rather than a "them" unless Poland chooses a Polexit which they cannot afford to do.

Not only weapons but also opened a line of credit for Ukraine to purchase weapons from Polish military industry. It is all in perfect accordance with Poland's eastern policy that is conducted regardless of whether PiS or PO is in power. It's good to see that there is stability at least in this one aspect of external politics.


Do not underestimate the Germans, Iron. We've learnt enough about them throughout history not to repeat the same mistake again, haven't we? If the sh*t hits the fan, they will be to us what we are to Ukraine - direct strategic background, evacuation route for our families when we fight, and the transport hub for weapons and reinforcements. There's hardly any country more important than Germany for us in the current situation.


A colourful metaphor but a rather inaccurate one. I gave you my evaluation of Tusk in #313 and Jon was spot on too in #314. That's all there is to it.


Precisely.

I assume that Britain will return to the EU sooner than Poland will leave it.

It's possible and I'd vote for that just as I voted to remain. The EU will need to change first though; the federal model of regions without sovereignty and the drive for standardisation which some Germans, Belgians and north Italians get wet over isn't for everyone. I suspect the best way forward is a looser trading union. Remember, they miss us more than we miss them.

With the UK (already of course a union and with Aus/NZ/Canada to consider too) more elderly brexit voters have died off since the vote than the margin of victory was. Plus plenty of new voters have hit 18.

Brexit has been neither the great success that its supporters said it would be not the disaster its strongest opponents predicted. The economy has done slightly better than it would have if we'd remained, the drive to buy British products has been good for agriculture, manufacturing and retail, unemployment is at a record low, certain predatory European companies have been excluded from bidding for U.K. tenders and we've renationalised a couple of railway companies that had been bought by French and German companies. On the downside they're furious in Northern Ireland since there's a customs border with the rest of the U.K. that they don't want, and of course our universities have lost Erasmus students which was good for 'soft power'.

A lot will happen in the world before the U.K. joins again ; we'd need a n even better deal than the (good) one we had before and of course we'll rejoin on our terms. I suspect though that the will have changed a lot by then and there is no doubt at all its current form will have radically changed.

What credit? Who is going to pay for it and how much? It says credit but I don't believe it! At the very least they should pawn our art gallery from Lwow.

It is not we have spare equipment.


I don't but they are ruled by schizophrenics, On the one hand, they want a nice little colony and take Poland for everything she has on the other they expect we are going to field an army big enough to defeat Russia. They can't have both at the same time, if they undercut us economically we won't be able to field that army. Simple!

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Wow, Torq, I am really impressed by your deep thinking.

It is a real pity all those rightists and nazio boys are such imbeciles who do not to see such basic things.


Yes, rightists and nazio boys like you are ones.

At the moment they are our largest trade partner and the EU is on the brink of unblocking our KPO and structural funds (a part of it was transferred already).


Hardly. As you said, geopolitical basics.

Some people act as though we were either a superpower who can be at loggerheads with everyone (we aren't) or as if we had Portugal's geographical location (we don't).

Torq, you are a good dude in the sense you are a clever one but you are so naive as to the way of the world and especially the way the politicians work that ... It surprised me. You talk a good talk but when it comes to reality, not so much.

First of all, KPO is going to be on the brink for a very long time and is not that important, whole structure is more harmful than helpful to the Polish economy.

Structural funds, withheld illegally and spitefully by the EU are not important either, as they are telling Poland what to spend it on.
Tusk he buying support, giving a huge pay rise to the police and other people in administration, where is he going to take that money from, planned strategic investment into infrastructure, we are talking about the dude who stole OFE (or what it) and hasn't even bat an eye.

Next, are you telling me that the best way to have a good relationship with Germany is by doing everything they ask? Well, PiS was doing it with Ukraine and more, so how come our relationship is not a big love affair?

Maybe because politics does not work that way? eh?
Poland needs to take a stand and defend its vital interests whether someone likes it or not, I bet there are plenty of those who would rather prosper 't Poland's expense and greed is a powerful motivator but being a doormat that everybody walks over with easy doesn't constitute a good friendly foegin policy.

Do I have to explain it to you?
Germany has an issue with PiS for a few reasons - first, they didn't listen to them as much as they would have liked to, and they presented a more conservative face (while the German elite is liberal) Their investment into infrastructure in Poland would provide prosperity and growth for the Polish economy and German elites do not like to see Poland growing too much.

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Hungaey are somller than Poland in very possible way, and somhow their poalcy skilfully excuted by Orban wiorks for them, Germany frathr then get into hugh and refuse to desl with them, trasfer their tanks prodcuton to Hungray, nodbdy kicked them out o fthe NATO or the EU.

Poland whos ecimany steddkly had been growing as the only ecnmy int the world baise Chinas, is again acting like immrartuer butler curig their laord favor. I somtimes think that is a naturlsecltion, mostmen with some pine either were xtermited by Soviets or Germans, some escped to the west and ther reast ( at least 80%

The reality is that Poland is divided not into PO and PiS, not into Catholics and atheists, not into rightists and leftists but into positivists and romanticists. What we - positivists - build, the romanticists tend to ruin with their silliness and irresponsibility. Tusk is a positivist par excellence, Kaczyński is by and large a romanticist. Of course, nobody is a 100% postivist or a 100% romanticist, life is not that simple. The reason why you think Tusk is "a traitor" is because you are deep down a romanticist (I'd say, 70% romanticist, 30% positivist judging by your posts on PF). I am glad that Tusk is in charge rather than Kaczyński because I am 80% positivist and only 20% romanticist. Polish maths. :)


What you say applies to the European funds in general. Wealth comes from thrift, hard work and wise investment, not from "free money", especially if a large part of it is a credit. I agree. However, as the KPO is already signed (by the PiS government who was very proud of it), and Poland has to repay the loan anyway, then it makes sense to finally get our money, doesn't it?


Oh, have we swapped places with Portugal? Are we now bordering the Atlantic Ocean and Spain only? Sorry, I must have missed it.

No? We are still here? Sitting between Germany and Russia on a huge central European plain, perfect for tanks to roll through? Damn it. Well, in that case Poland needs to find a reasonable compromise and cooperate with Germany and the entire EU, and perhaps even (the horror!) sacrifice some of our vital interests to achieve optimal conditions for further development. Do I have to explain it to you? Geez.

Tusk as a viable choice of what? lol! Dude stop gaslighting me or yourself he and his crew have nothing to offer, I have given him the opportunity to change my mind and the first few weeks of his government told me more than I need to know.

I'm judging him by performance and Poland's interests, not some sentimental crap.
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I don't know what you are talking about. Do you mean that we should just lie down and be a doormat? Because that is the only way politics nobody would have any issues with us.

@Iron

Looks like for you it's either "an Orban" or "a doormat". In the real life, however, there are many shades of grey between these two extremes.

As for Orban, he should be careful not to take his game a bit too far - the EU is slowly but surely losing patience with him...

politico.eu/article/eu-threatens-silence-hungary-orban-if-blocks-ukrainian-aid-funds-article-7/

ahahahahha. he's germany biggest foil for the decisions for the EU veto it don't want to take. u are a complete moron. Germany and Hungary are linked through centuries of empire, you know this game called chess. Did you not notice EU giving him all those hundreds of billions while Orban did his pro russia thing whilst they denied Poland ie PiS the money of 'rule of law'. You really are an idiot, turn on the the gas oven in your posh gdamsk/sopot suburb and stick your head in for an hour mate.

Hundreds of billions??? :) No, I didn't notice. Did you? :) All the Euro funds for Hungary were blocked, including the most basic cohesion funds, you idiot. ha ha ha Only a part of it was unblocked last month (about €10 billion) under condition that certain changes will be introduced to Hungarian judiciary, to which Orban, like a good boy that he is, quietly agreed. :) To access the remaining about €30 billion (what were you saying again about hundreds of billions, sh*thead?) in cohesion and recovery funds, Orban will have to meet many more conditions (including 27 milestones), and you can bet your retarded Australian arse that he will meet them. :)

You are confusing Germany with Austria. :) As for the descendants of Prussia, their admiration for Austro-Hungary and its heritage has always been... well... somewhat limited (a bit like your intelligence). :)