Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023

Not according to the police Union or the news report. Only 1100 people stopped, and most of those will doubtless travel later.


Mostly work Mon-Fri. Many like to go shopping for an hour on Sunday, rather than a weekday evening when they're knackered or on Saturday, a day of rest. The PiSflappers' ridiculous ban on Sunday opening was very unpopular. With retail workers too, who appreciate the overtime and/or a day off work.


Not everyone lives like that.


No 'playing'...

I wanted to write a post in the Polish Army thread, about new purchases of Krab and K9 Thunder artillery systems - worth billions of dollars - by the outgoing Minister of Defense.

Then, I decided I'd rather write about my theory of how PiS is attempting to lay the groundwork for their return into power.

So here it is:

1) PiS puppet Duda, appoints short term PiS government. Short term PiS government proceeds to stuff all state companies, and government ministries with loyalists that will be difficult to remove in speedy fashion by KO.

2) PiS takes strong protectionist approach on Ukrainian grain and truckers question. This is despite constant pressure from the EU to disperse the protests and enforce the law on EU border transit. Expectation is that Tusk will come in, and lift the grain and transit embargos. This will immediately dent his popularity, since he will be seen by those two constituencies as betraying Poland's national interests. PiS talking heads will immediately capitalize on the drama.

3) PiS contracts enormous quantities of weapons, that Polish budget cannot sustain (read articles on this subject). Tusk comes in and inevitably has to curtail these orders, or delay their implementation. PiS attacks him for being weak on defense and a Putin stooge. "When we were in power, Poland received more weapons than in its entire history of independence."

4) PiS purposefully runs relations with Germany into the ground, on a farcical premise. Tusk comes in and repairs relations with Germany - perhaps even apologizing for some past excesses of PiS government. PiS of course initiates "Operation German Agent", and Tusk is once again painted as a German lapdog.

This is what I think this past year of insanity has been. A long desperate attempt to push all the possible populist buttons in a politician's arsenal, and now that's its failed - a deliberate attempt to create a "bridgehead" from which to attack KO in the future. The central pillars of that "bridgehead", will be the above points:

1) Active sabotage through loyalists remaining in non-elected government positions. This includes both state companies like PKN Orlen, and government ministries.

2) Accusations of abandoning Polish farmers and truckers interests.

3) Accusations of being weak on defense matters

4) Accusations of being a German/Russian puppet.

Let's see if it will work for PiS.

You are becoming a specialist on Polish politics, Bobi. I agree with all the above points - PiS is very likely to try all that but that's not the biggest threat to the new government.

The biggest threat to the new government is KO themselves. The reason they lost the elections 8 years ago and paved the way for Kaczynski and PiS is the deeply rooted contempt that they have for ordinary people. Contempt for simple folks, who still go to church, fly the white-and-red flag on 3rd May/11th November, eat their kiełbasa and bigos and aren't overly enthusiastic about sodomites marching on the streets. Normal people.

Even their own man, professor Marcin Matczak, who refused to accept professorial nomination from President Duda accusing him of breaking the Constitution, admits that...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/kraj/news-marcin-matczak-o-dzialaniach-opozycji-pis-szybko-wroci,nId,7200995

KO are their own greatest enemy. Hopefully PSL - their coalition partner - can restrain them a bit.

🏳‍🌈🇮🇱 Soros meets 🏳‍🌈 Mayor of Warsaw ahead of Polish Independence Day 🤔

t.me/nativistconcern/2674

In other words, Soroszoid scum is meeting with his own boss.

Meanwhile, Tusk accuses Orban of openly switching to Russian agenda...

polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/3296958,orb%C3%A1n-openly-switches-to-russian-agenda-donald-tusk-says

... will Polish-Hungarian brotherhood survive Orban? It probably will, seeing as it survived even Hungary's alliance with Hitler, but there are difficult times ahead.

Sounds like the American Democrats.

Their candidate in the 2016 elections, Hillary Clinton, was famously caught saying this:

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic - you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice...

The racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes and Islamophobes did not receive this message very well.

They already felt that Hillary was a typical representative of the arrogant coastal elites, but being called "deplorable" really rubbed them the wrong way - even if few of them understood what the word meant.

Along with James Comey's reopening of the FBI investigation, this comment of hers probably cost her the presidency.

Yip, sounds exactly like what someone from KO might say about PiS supporters.

@jon357


Which news report do you mean? All I've read reported a drop of illegal border crossings by 50% and more than a hundred additional arrest of people smugglers. Naturally the police union is against such measures since they put further strain of the police, but their desired solution (letting other countries controle the European borders) is clearly not working.

The results have been unambigous, that even the politicians who were strongly opposed to controls have since then admitted their error.

I doubt this will make much difference. Sticking plaster measures at best. Traffickers are very resourceful. I'd worry more about the Italy/France route.

Not much to do with the incoming government. The outgoing one has always been quite strict with their eastern border, and the new one are unlikely to change much at first. This week isn't about Germany though, or any country other than PL.

There are cinemas in Warsaw which are live-streaming the parliamentary proceedings all week. They are likely to be fun to watch. The ridiculous ban on Sunday trading is a front runner for a swift change, and there will be a musical chairs of public appointments.

We do, hence the border controls at the border with Austria.


That is what they claim, but the reality seems to be quite different. They sold visas to Africans and the increase of illegal border crossing suggests that they were quite happy to wave people through. Never mind how people smuggler could apparantly act with impunity.

P1ssing in the wind.


I suspect you'll find that in a few EU countries. At least mainland Europe is getting people who can afford the bribes,


As they do in France and a few other places.

Next week's circus is however for entertainment rather than border issues.

You supported benefits and anticapitalist policies before. Now you support the capitalist policy of forcing people to work on Sundays when most of them desire to have a day off. It is a bit inconsistent of you.

That is why I deliberately said: playing a defender of common people. .

While PiS have contempt for everyone who isn't simple.... and for better or worse, there are more of them in Poland now


I'm unaware of any evidence that most people want to have Sunday off specifically... and no one's proposing that employees can't have days off.

Go to one or two handlowe niedziele a month and make sure those who work then are paid more. If it's unprofitable for the stores then they'll be closed.

Again, in the PRL almost everybody was working at the same time and that's just not the case anymore.

I had evidence straight from the mouths of store workers who used to complain to me about working Sundays.

Who doesn't?


Nothing capitalist about it. Railway and bus staff, hospital staff, museum staff etc work on Sundays. Are they capitalist?

And bar/restaurant staff too, like retail workers. It's part of the job.


Indeed.


And you were of course wrong.

Aren't 90% of the population 'common people'...

Of course those who don't want to will complain, those who don't mind.... won't.

Not strong evidence. If I saw evidence that a strong majority didn't want it then I'd change my position, but so far....

Very strong, maf. I didn`t tell you everything to see if you are wise enough to stop arguing with me hahahaha - the workers` complaints came straight from the horse`s mouth coz my eldest son used to work for a popular chain store with teenage fashion for two years. Ha!!!!

You weren`t wise enough ......... :)::):))gh)S)FLR)E45p04

So? That's a data point, not evidence.

Show me a professional survey of at least a thousand or so employees from across the retail sector and we'll talk.

Don't worry it'll happen in the next 6-20 months. (maybe 24)

Meanwhile, back in the real world. Morawiecki's 'government' fell after it did not receive a vote of confidence.

Interestingly 3 members of PiS didn't even show up so the final including Ziobro who obviously didn't want to be seen voting for Morawiecki in public....

This time, there will be no reasumpcja.


All deposed parties try to do that. In this case the numbers are against them. They've throroughly alienated too many people The number of young people voting was their death knell.

I'm not much of a fan of PO (or any of the other segments of the incoming government) but periodic changes of ruling party are necessary, if for no other reason than for preventing political stagnation and for preventing any one party from becoming too powerful.

Power corrupts and the reins of power shouldn't be in any hands for too long.

You are mainly a fan of yourself, I presume. Amasing! ):)

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I don't think that will happen and I hope it won't, because there's too much at stake - democracy in Poland. I hope that Polish politicians will rise to the task.


Yes, exactly. Especially in case of parties like PiS that have authoritarian/anti-democratic tendencies.

Why the Govt cant make a law for the workers working on Sunday or any holidays tp be paid 1 1/2 times or double,than just hurting the business owner..


LOL Stop gloating at someones misery.lol look what happened to them when they did the same for 8 years.

Many private companies already do that. It doesn't need the law - let the market decide. If you want to earn a few zloty more and work on Sunday then you are free to do so, unless you work in a shop.

The government will not make a law because that will mean paying all the nurses cops and tram drivers more, one at the moment they tend to get time off on different days instead.

If society lets markets decide, the market traders suck up all the goodies. About as practicable as Reaganist "trickle down" economics when all that flows downwards is literally a trickle.

Better to have strong worker protection; either a day off in lieu or time and a half.

Hardly. Lolzo, a ruski can never become a specialist in polak politics.


Yep, f*ck the free market, imagine a football game without a referee.

Quite. And as in Turkey, "free-market" grifters physically attack referees if they don't get what they want.

It's the turks ;) behaving badly in germany too.

When I go to Berlin, they generally seem fine. Really nice food too.

Back in Turkey, they get political, plus the football violence really is that bad. Even worse than in Poland.

It's my understanding (confirmed by a German or two) that "Turks" in Germany fall into two broad groups.

Ethnic Turks - Generally more or less acceptably behaved though they don't exactly set the world on fire in academic or economic terms

Turkish Kurds - A lot more trouble, a very large majority of 'Turkish' crime in Germany is actually by Turkish Kurds