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A Polish u-boat calls for help?


Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
30 May 2021 #1
Crew members see the only submarine in the Polish Navy in a "deplorable technical condition". It is a "miracle" that it is still swimming. An expert accuses the government in Warsaw of negligence.

translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/polen-ist-das-einzige-u-boot-ein-sicherheitsrisiko-17361652.html

"The crew members of the only buoyant submarine in the Polish Navy call for help. In an anonymous open letter, the sailors warn that the submarine Orzeł (Adler) is "in a deplorable technical condition, and every journey can end with sinking and our death". In a recent maneuver there were problems with the surface, with the drive, the sonar, the communication and the armament. The sailors write: "The fact that the eagle is still swimming can only be described as a miracle." The 73-meter-long submarine, built in the Soviet Union in 1985, was put back into service five years ago "despite our protests"...."

Has anybody more info on that?

The original article:

faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/polen-ist-das-einzige-u-boot-ein-sicherheitsrisiko-17361652.html
Alien
30 May 2021 #2
No wonder after last few submarine disasters
GefreiterKania 7 | 305
30 May 2021 #3
It might have something to do with the shift in defence strategy, which puts much more emphasis on air and land forces, but Polish Navy has been severely neglected and something should be done about it.
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
30 May 2021 #4
I don't want to read about another submarine catastrophe with men drowned like rats! :(
GefreiterKania 7 | 305
1 Jun 2021 #5
I read a plausible explanation for the state of Polish Navy on another forum today: since Russians are significantly strengthening their Baltic Fleet with new vessels and tons of equipment (something that we cannot afford), the High Command decided to practically, gradually disband our entire navy. In this way we will make sure that in case of war not a single Polish warship will be sunk and not a single sea battle will be won by Russians.

Smart :)
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
1 Jun 2021 #6
Well....in that regard.....the current status of our Bundeswehr should make Germany INVINCIBLE!!!! :):):)
GefreiterKania 7 | 305
1 Jun 2021 #7
New military tactics - a total surprise for Russians. :)

I asked my cousin (an army major) about it, and he says that Baltic is a relatively small body of water, so it can be covered with proper surface-to-water missiles, that's why we bought Norwegian Kongsberg NSM missiles and we are building up the rocket forces. One rocket can sink one ship, so I suppose it's cheaper.
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
1 Jun 2021 #8
...let's suppose!

But better no war in our lifetimes....
GefreiterKania 7 | 305
1 Jun 2021 #9
Better no war at all. Unfortunately, si vis pacem para bellum and all that, so we have to spend all the money for weapons instead of more useful things and more pressing needs. :-/

What's wrong with humanity? Christians explain it with original sin - the crack in sinful human nature that makes it desire wealth and power, hence all the wars and billions upon billions spent on armies. I wonder how atheists explain the dark side of human nature and the tendency towards greed, lust and evil in general.
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
1 Jun 2021 #10
Hmmmm.....then God had made his children so, isn't it?

I'm not an atheist but a naturalist, and the passion for life, which includes fighting and warring and loving, is part of our hereditary nature, totally natural so to speak, nothing sinful or wrong about it. We share that with all living things on this Earth.

Like everything with humans it can be abused of course and then it ends badly....but without these passions, this zest for life, we wouldn't had evolved either.

So....better fight the future fights not on battle fields but find a better, pragmatic, not so self-destrutive solution!
GefreiterKania 7 | 305
1 Jun 2021 #11
Hmmmm.....then God had made his children so, isn't it?

God granted his children a certain measure of free will, which they abuse by rebelling against Him and His law.

So....better fight the future fights not on battle fields but find a better, pragmatic, not so destrutive solution!

Exactly. And a great solution to fight peacefully has already been invented - FOOTBALL... but we still have wars :(
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
1 Jun 2021 #12
Heh:) Football was my first thought too....what a great peaceful solution!!! :):):)

(Not to mention that Germany's track record looks better that way too, heh:)
pawian 179 | 16,417
3 Jun 2021 #13
he says that Baltic is a relatively small body of water

Yes, submarines are a bit useless here.

But - what about glorious tradition?? You may ask, why do we stay up here if it's so dangerous? We stay because Poland is our home... And how do we keep our balance? That I can tell you in one word... Tradition!

It is a magnificent tradition that Poland has always had its underwater navy (after all it was a Pole who invented a submarine

Stefan Drzewiecki (Russian:26 July 1844, Kunka, - 23 April 1938) was a Polish scientist, journalist, engineer, constructor and inventor, working in France and the Russian Empire. He built the first submarine in the world with electric battery-powered propulsion (1884).
OP Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,387
3 Jun 2021 #14
(after all it was a Pole who invented a submarine

Interesting....Google says it differently:

Submarines were first built by Dutch inventor Cornelius van Drebel in the early 17th century (1620), but it was not until 150 years later that they were first used in naval combat. David Bushnell, an American inventor, began building underwater mines while a student at Yale University.
pawian 179 | 16,417
3 Jun 2021 #15
Google says it differently:

BB, I was thinking about a true submarine, not a wooden and leather boat that accidentally went underwater. :):)


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