Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023

Your own link says Czech has the lowest unemployment.

Who is to say unemployment will not start to increase now ? In fact I think that is a very likely scenario but we can come back to it in a few months and argue about it

BB, what do Germans think of lincreasing or lowering the retirement age in Poland?? Be honest now!!!

.....erm!

I see you refuse to be honest with us, Poles!!!!!!
So, the next question:
Why do Germans meddle into Polish retirement plans??????? I don`t get it.

We do????

Yes, you admitted it saying erm.

....verdammt!

You are swearing now coz your tricky German plan of influencing the Polish retirement plan law has been disclosed by wise people like PiS rightists in Warsaw and Ironside in the forum.

Ha! We got you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are good! :)

Let`s admit Germans are clever. But Polish rightists and nationalists are fekking cleverer. Ha! Germans have no chance of winning against them.

Quite.There's no reason it should be standardised across a whole continent, and if it is, it should be standardised according to the average rather than to suit one economy with an aging population.

Very unfair anyway that women get to retire earlier yet live longer, especially since the heavy work is increasingly done by people of either sex or any gender.

Hey should you protest the church meddling into politicks?
Cardinal Matteo Zuppi at large in Berlin, the Vatican Envoy, yapps about Poland. Where are you slapping him down? Maybe you are hypocrite and a brazen one at that?

Really?? Incredible. Those Germans!!! hahaha


Brazen but not a hypocrite. I will always tell you the tragic truth about yourself. hahahaha buhahahaha

I disagree it's "very unfair", at least in Poland, because:

1. Women in Poland usually have two jobs - one outside of home and another one - at home. Thus they're more exploited than men.

2. It's usually the grandmothers that take care of grandchildren when their parents are at work and it's usually women who take care of elderly parents, so they fulfill an important role in the society (and in order to be able to do that they have to be retired).

So, in order for women and men to have the same retirement age, in my opinion, they would have to have the same share of the burdens that society puts on them (or women should be relieved of their burdens). Maybe that will happen one day, but that's not what I'm usually seeing in Poland. So, for now, not only is women's life harder, but they also have to live longer for less money than men. Nothing to be envied, imho.


And this is one of the reasons why women get lower retirement pay than men in Poland. So, is that "unfair" too?:

biznes.interia.pl/emerytury/news-kobiety-dostaja-nizsze-emerytury-od-mezczyzn-zus-ma-wytlumac,nId,6561114

What if a woman is single (and it's a plague these days - there's throngs of 30-40 y.o. spinsters)? Why should she retire earlier?


Man who have families very often have two jobs to provide for them - why should they retire later than single women or those women who only have one job?


They get lower retirement pay because they work shorter (have lower retirement age). Also, man very often have two jobs, so they get double ZUS contributions. Most of my male friends work at least 1.5 full-time jobs, so automatically they contribute more to their retirement funds.

Jon is right - the system is fundamentally unfair.

State pension system is a huge fraud. Everyone should contribute to private retirement funds (IKE, IKZE etc.), and for those who don't children should be their retirement funds. The current system favours childless female parasites the most - they contribute the least, play no social role, and yet are allowed to retire early.

Equal rigths, egual duties, equal retirement age.
Aslo women should be drafted into military when they change the law ....

I think the lower retirement age for women reflects the fact that they have the additional task of the bulk of the childrearing and running of the home, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. and once they've finished that, they often have the care of elderly parents.

However, I believe that there must be an equal choice available to both men and women for retirement age. If there is going to be a lower retirement age option it should be right across the board or shouldn't exist at all. It should be up to the individual to choose from an early retirement option or to carry on working. Plenty of women would probably like to carry on working for the financial and social benefits. I do think also that it has to acknowledged that men have a shorter life expectancy than women and an earlier retirement age would allow them to have a few more years of peace and relaxation if that's what they want.


But there's no conscription nowadays for men so why for women? But military service for women is fine as long as it's not sitting behind a desk typing and making tea for the generals.

You mean childless? Because there are women who are single with kids and married couples who have no kids, you know :)))

That's a minority of women though and my guess is that such women usually have more strength and will to work longer than women who have kids.

But, yeah, I think that could be changed - and childless women should have the same retirement age as men. The problem is - they still would be the ones to take care of elderly parents, even if childless.


That's one of the reasons. Another is because they live longer. Didn't you read the article I linked to?


All my life I don't think I've ever known any man like that in Poland.

That's definitely not a rule. I know many sons who take care of their elderly mothers (even though they have sisters).


Are you kidding me? That would mean that either all men in Kielce earn enough in one job to provide everything their families need (I doubt it) or they just don't give a toss if their wives and children have everything they need (also doubtful). So what's going on there in Kielce??? xD

It looks like it is in Poland, Kania. I'm saying this based not only on the articles I've read, etc. but also observation in real life.


Um... The wives of men in Kielce usually have jobs too (so men don't have to work 2 or 1.5 jobs) o_O

And it doesn't matter if it's a married couple of factory workers, or dentists, for example. In fact, there's one married couple of dentists who run their private practice together not far away from where I live, another married couple of dentists in the Kielce city center and there's also a married couple of a dentist and an eye doctor that run their own place together too.


Why? Their wives don't have jobs?

Me too. What you say might have been a rule 20 years ago but definitely not today (retired men take care of their elderly parents too - I know personally two such guys).


Look, you said yourself that it is usually women who do most household chores and take care of children more than men, right?

It is obvious then that earning money rests on men. If a married couple with children can have all their needs fulfilled with each parent having just one job - brilliant. Absolutely lovely. However, it is very often not the case, not even in Gdańsk, so I imagine that in Kielce it's even worse (lower salaries, fewer opportunities).

In such case, men should take responsibility and work more. When I was younger I took a lot of jobs on the side and worked almost every weekend, my brother in law does deliveries apart from his normal 40h job, and my neighbour (a builder) works crazy hours - because that's what men do, they take care of their families.

In connection to our earlier conversation: maybe that's why kieleckie is "Polska B" - women take care of finances and men don't work more than 1 job? xD

Would that be perhaps because some couples' expectations are too high? If you want a modern apartment, two cars, a couple of holidays each year, private school for your children, extras like music, drama, English classes, sports clubs, guides/scouts, etc. your living costs will certainly be high.

While I do know of some man that may take a gig or two outside of their Jobs 95% of man I know and knew had 1 job. In fact it was my mom that at times worked more than one job due to the demand.

Why shouldn't one want all of these things? What you described is a middle-class lifestyle to which many people aspire and which many people achieve.

Why do you think such "expectations are too high"? If a man can do it for his family, why shouldn't he?

I feel attacked.

It looks like today also.


Yeah and that's why usually both husband and wife work. And it looks like that it happens that even if one of them earns enough (my impression is that dentists with a private practice earn a lot even in Kielce) both work anyway.


Don't be silly, unless you have proof that women take care of finances in Polska "B" and men in Polska "A" :))) Besides, in majority of Japanese families it's the women who take care of finances and I wouldn't call Japan a "B" country.

I'm Polska A and I see tge same you so.

Jaysus... and then you are surprised when I say something about margines społeczny!

Unless, of course those 95% of men earned enough in one job for all their families' needs. If not, they are bums not men.

Anyways, ladies - if that's the kind of men you meet and live around, please accept the expressions of my deep regret.

Usually both work.


I'd rather have less materiał things and have a father, partner etc that is actually there when I need him.

*sighs*

And two single jobs are enough for everything?

Brilliant.

If not, see my post #352.

Have a nice day.