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Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023


Alien 21 | 5,154
10 Sep 2023 #301
Which party

Certainly PiS.
jon357 74 | 22,204
10 Sep 2023 #302
PiS.

I googled her name and nobody even remotely connected to politics comes up. In fact almost nothing comes up.

So it's hard to know what would motivate someone to post in the thread ordering people not to vote for her.
pawian 224 | 24,693
10 Sep 2023 #303
The battle of conventions yesterday was won by Donald Tusk`s party. It presented 100 concrete points for the first 100 days of their rule.
PiS` convention was poor and its main highlight was when Kaczyński mercifully admitted that pregnant women ALSO have the right to live. Amassing azholes.
Ironside 53 | 12,480
10 Sep 2023 #304
The battle of conventions yesterday was won by Donald Tusk`s party.

Sure, that is what you would say. You have no cred here. You would say anything.
pawian 224 | 24,693
10 Sep 2023 #305
Sure, that is what you would say.

It isnt my opinion only. Independent commentators think so, too.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
10 Sep 2023 #306
Independent commentators think so, too.

You dumb ass, independent PO fanatics and tribal economist PO slave experts think so. u know this concept called reality??
pawian 224 | 24,693
10 Sep 2023 #307
u know this concept called reality??

The reality is that there are still a lot of homo sovieticuses ready to vote for PiS. But they should be outnumbered by decent intelligent people. There is hope for a positive change after PIS` ruining the state for 8 years.
amiga500 4 | 1,546
10 Sep 2023 #308
Berlin and Brussels have to tell Poles what is actually important to them.

Don't you think Poles have grown up, or the white tampon rag period of cheap polak labour of european prosperity, that we can can tell Berlin and Brussuls is over what is what, as in Warsaw, our National Interest, or do we have to wait another 20 years. ? Just asking Alien
pawian 224 | 24,693
10 Sep 2023 #309
cheap polak labour

The emigration of Poles didn`t stop under PiS rule. Poles are still looking for better life abroad. After 8 years of PiS rule. Incredible!!! :):):)
Besides, the economic prosperity that Poland has been enjoying since 2004 isn`t the merit of PiS but of our membership in the EU. Thanks to free trade and investment from European and other countries Poland has become much stronger and richer.

So, doggie, can you stop barking against Berlin or Brussels coz they contributed greatly to increasing Polish wealth and welfare??
amiga500 4 | 1,546
10 Sep 2023 #310
Poles didn`t stop under PiS rule. Poles are still looking for better life abroad

But it started under PiS in 2014 that maybe polaks come home, cause u know, high wages maybe we don't ghet raped for 7 zkikkzloty an hour , good patriot times also ecnomy and all that. of course good money abroad but now poland o.k.
pawian 224 | 24,693
10 Sep 2023 #311
But it started under PiS in 2014 that maybe polaks come home

Come home for benefits and then leave again due to high inflation resulting from benefits. :):):)
Korvinus 3 | 539
10 Sep 2023 #312
high inflation resulting from benefits.

Inflation in Poland is a result of numerous different factors:
- global post-Covid measures - printing lots of money finally caught up with us,
- result of the war (increase of food & oil prices) and the wave of refugees (increase in rent&housing prices).

Between 2002 and 2021 inflation was within a manageable 0-5% yearly. We even had deflation for a short period of 2015, so increasing public spending then was actually required. PiS expanding public spending caused inflation similar, even lower that during Civic Platform's miserly governments.

ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/w71k9kpTURBXy9kNGIyNjMyZDU5MzhiYmY4MjYxNTdmNzNiZTgyMTVmNy5wbmeRkwLNAcwA3gACoTABoTEB

The situation changed only during the final months of 2021, 2 years into covid epidemic.
jon357 74 | 22,204
10 Sep 2023 #313
result of numerous different factors:

Greed by businesses (wholesale or retail) too, charging as much as they can squeeze out of every transaction.

result of the war (increase of food & oil prices

This is a huge factor too, and 500+ a factor though a lesser one.
Korvinus 3 | 539
10 Sep 2023 #314
and 500+ a factor though a lesser one.

No. Look on the graph:
ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/w71k9kpTURBXy9kNGIyNjMyZDU5MzhiYmY4MjYxNTdmNzNiZTgyMTVmNy5wbmeRkwLNAcwA3gACoTABoTEB
500+ have been introduced in 2016 while inflation increased only at the end of 2021
pawian 224 | 24,693
10 Sep 2023 #315
500+

500+

Funny you only see 500+ when benefits are mentioned. There are many more, e.g, the 13th or 14th pension.
jon357 74 | 22,204
10 Sep 2023 #316
500+ have been introduced in 2016 while inflation increased only at the end of 2021

Things take a while to kick in and spending patterns as a result of the (excellent) decision to introduce child benefit do change with time as a society becomes more prosperous.
cms neuf 1 | 1,829
11 Sep 2023 #317
Several PiS policies have been highly inflationary

Increases in minimum wage
13th and 14th pension
Suspension of mortgage payments
Extra back to school payments
Ban on Sunday trade and other supply restrictions
Banking tax
And most of all lockdown

Energy prices don't help but lots of the cost is VAT and excise
amiga500 4 | 1,546
11 Sep 2023 #318
Several PiS policies have been highly inflationary

It's always a balance between inflation and increasing unemployment and stagnating parts of the economy through an over reaction. . (amongst other things.) PiS, as a populist party, don't like unemployed poles.
cms neuf 1 | 1,829
11 Sep 2023 #319
There is always a balance and at the moment they have that balance wrong.

The massive increases i. Minimum wage are interesting - I always try and pay 10-20 percent above that for entry staff but this year I have given up on that idea and their wages are effectively set by the govt. that is a very unhealthy way to run the economy
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
11 Sep 2023 #320
Anti-German election advert in Poland

PiS leader Kaczyński stages a phone call to Chancellor Scholz

spiegel.de/ausland/polen-jaroslaw-kaczynski-inszeniert-telefonabfuhr-an-olaf-scholz-a-c1749ad1-cf9b-460b-9bcd-a1b690469479

A bizarre election advertisement is causing discussions in Poland: PiS leader Kaczyński is contacted by Chancellor Scholz, but prefers to hang up. The rejection contains an accusation that has been bothering Poland for a long time. ....

Wow....???
Ironside 53 | 12,480
11 Sep 2023 #321
Anti-German election advert in Poland

It is no about anti-German it is about direct meddling of the German politicians on state, land and EU level into internal Polish issues.
Regardless what your presss tell you in Poland most of the public do not like it. Aside from some idiots like pawian with certain views and he is also talking mostly about the EU level.
Alien 21 | 5,154
11 Sep 2023 #322
meddling of the German politicians on state, land and EU level into internal Polish issues.

Dear Iron, this is some paranoia. 🥱
Ironside 53 | 12,480
11 Sep 2023 #323
Dear Alien, what would you say it? You bring nothing to the table but your ....opinion...it is hard to call it an opinion even. Reaction, right ...your reaction which is emotional and shallow. What I'm suppose to say to it?

OK, I know... what are your qulifications to provide online medical advice?
Alien 21 | 5,154
11 Sep 2023 #324
what are your qulifications

Ok, let me rephrase this sentence differently; Isn't that some kind of paranoia?
Now better?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
11 Sep 2023 #325
it is about direct meddling of the German politicians on state, land and EU level into internal Polish issues.

Did that really happen? A german politician calling a polish politician and tell him what to do???

Because....frankly....that wouldn't go over really well here either! Germans would prefer Scholz "meddling" in german issues first, actually doing something instead of only nice talking....

(And when a polish politician...or any other foreign one for that matter....would call one of ours only to tell him what to do, we would be p***ed too, it's quite a natural reaction, that's why I'm asking!)
Ironside 53 | 12,480
11 Sep 2023 #326
Isn't that some kind of paranoia?

No really. Just few facts put togehter and then there is an election and as you know propaganda goes sky high :)

A german politician calling a polish politician and tell him what to do???

Not that I know of. It is possible...eh?
There are instances that German politicians having issues with infrastructure bulid in Poland or state of Polish border river...and so on...
Trying to stop devalopment of the port in Stettin and thereabouts...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
11 Sep 2023 #327
....I guess that will be a thing of the past, Germans telling others what to do.

Not in the state our country is right now...that gets ridiculous very quickly!
Ironside 53 | 12,480
11 Sep 2023 #328
hat gets ridiculous very quickly!

In same way your 'partners' had been rather disappointing. I mean Russia f it up on one end and now China doing you dirty o n the other, you could start study Cantonise could be usefull. :)

I guess all that German planning is inflexible, so if it goes wrong it goes wrong the big way..
Still all that 'green' policies could be binned and help to recover of the EU economy and German economy as well.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,904
11 Sep 2023 #329
so if it goes wrong it goes wrong the big way..

.....but when it works..... :)

Our "steel and iron" economy nears it's end and every so dramatic change is painfull!

This energy crisis is only hastening things up, unplanned...to early...but not avoidable.
Korvinus 3 | 539
11 Sep 2023 #330
Several PiS policies have been highly inflationary

Between 2002 and 2021 inflation was within a manageable 0-5% yearly. The situation changed only during the final months of 2021, 2 years into covid epidemic. Central Bank responded by rapidly increasing interest rates:

graph

The effectiveness of this instrument proved to be limited though because the government didn't play ball and kept on spending.

However if government would cut spending at the time central bank increased interest rates, we'd have 'cooling of the economy' below zero. Our growth would die and unemployment would skyrocket.

So now we have high inflation (but not the highest in the EU - the 'prize' goes to Hungary) but also the lowest unemployment in the EU.

statista.com/statistics/1115276/unemployment-in-europe-by-country/


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