2011 Netherlands discuss Polish deportation plan

Because you're the new kids on the block?

Not true. It is 70%.

Please ... warszawski ... I never talk about things happening in PL cause I don't know enough about it. Please stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Stu, I a talking about Dutch companies, NOT companies that utilize the Kingdom of the Netherlands agreement to avoid paying taxes.

These are Dutch companies, warszawski. Dutch multinationals.

So its now 70%, I was a 40% owner of a Dutch BV, I know enough about it, never to want to be involved in a Dutch company again.

So obviously you only know 40%

It has NEVER EVER been 90% ... .

Again ... don't talk about things you know nothing about. It doesn't become you!!

What about the sickness program in the Netherlands that allows people not to work and go long term sick, if my memory serves me correct it is 100%, 90% 70%. Does the Netherlands have a problem with the long term sick? Hs the long term sick law been abused by immigrants from north Africa, Russia and former Yugo.

So now you are changing the subject ... :D.

Long term sickness: first year 100%, then 70%.

If you are still ill after 2 years, then you are entitled to welfare for the longterm sick.

No ... we don't have a problem with longterm sick people. And that even although we don't have to produce a note from the doctor when we are ill. Just call your employer before 0930 and tell him that you are ill. In most cases your employer will wish you a speedy recovery and leave it at that. Officially a doctor will visit you at home, but it never ever happened to me.

Only in a very few cases do we have problems with fake illness and that is mainly the day after a football final during EC's or WC's. Especially when we played late or when the championships are in some far away place. So in 2012 we won't have any problems, but in Brazil, be sure that quite a lot of people are "ill" next morning.


Didn't know we had a problem with Russians in NL ... :S

of course it's a matter of interpretation too. If we're talking about someone breaking the law of his host country, especially if he becomes criminal, well I'm very much for deporting that person.

No, When I was talking about 90% I am talking Netto, you are talking 70% brutto


This is the reason why those people on short term contracts or those employees that are going to be given the boot, would prefer to jump on the sick to get 100% of their salary, than wait and get unemployment benefit...


The Netherlands has a massive problem with sick abusers, of course the Dutch don't see it as a problem, because you believe it is within your rights...

Thumbs up for Netherlands!

I think Poland would do the same if they were invaded by 100.000 Dutchmans.

Whats the point to have unemployed foreigners in a country? I mean its not like they gonna kick out the ones with a job.

PM makes some fair points though he overgeneralises. However, he'd do well to realise that a fair few Poles are becoming ever more greedy and this is not due to the Western influence as conservative cities without Western influences bear witness to this.

As for deportation, well, I'm surprised the Mods haven't said more. A bit more focussing on off-topic posts other than my own wouldn't go amiss. Much of this thread has nothing to do with deportation.

If it is true then the Dutch are just looking for scapegoats. It's easy to have a convenient excuse at the ready.

Every country got their "scapegoats", and usually its the foreigners.

Why doesn't Netherlands make this plan for ALL UNEMPLOYED FOREIGNERS?

Why is it a Polish plan & Not an Immigrant plan to deport Foreigners without a job?

Why does Neanderthals I mean Netherlands single outs Poles in this plan?

They do?

David_18
Why is it a Polish plan then?
It says a plan for Polish nothing about anyone else.

I would be all for Netherlands getting rid of who they need too to survive.

But, Why is it the Polish plan? Hmmm

Modern slavery flourishing, say inspectors

The four companies discovered by government inspectors last year where workers were treated virtually as slaves were probably the 'tip of the iceberg', according to a social affairs ministry spokesman in today's Volkskrant.

Human smuggling and the exploitation of workers were top priority for the ministry's SIOD investigators last year, the spokesman said.

The four cases, all of which have either been taken to court or are pending, involve foreign workers. In one, 44 mainly Bulgarian women were cutting up marijuana plants for between €3 and €5 an hour. They were locked into a warehouse at night. In another case, Polish women worked up to 22 hours a day for a mushroom grower. Complaints about their treatment led to pay cuts.

In total, SIOD investigators were involved with 88 complicated fraud cases last year, an increase of 15% on 2005, according to the organisation's annual report.

Some 216 people and 100 companies were investigated for tax, social security and government subsidy fraud totalling €35m. Just over half the companies investigated were temporary employment agencies and gang master-based operations

No ... not true.


Again ... not true:
statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=71737NED&D1=0&D2=3-4,10-11,13,17-18,21-22,26-28,32&D3=4,9,14,19,24,29,l&HDR=T,G2&STB=G1&CHARTTYPE=1&VW=T

It is actually going down. Care to show me Polish figures ... :D?

Ofcourse? What about the poor ukrainians who comes to Poland and works on the Polish fields for minumum wages?

PM has a point in that you cannot single out a group in such a way. That's the essence of discrimination. You cannot punish a whole group for the folly of a few individuals.

Exactly ... and if this was resolved in this world there would not be pain.

This case is a living proof that people can be good and bad in any nation ... however, one cannot declare or label an entire nation, or a person they do not know, as a guilty - unless proven.

Polish workers exploited in Holland

Several dozen Poles who work at a strawberry plantation in Holland complain that they have been exploited by their employee and have not received their salaries.

A group of 80 Poles (79 women and one man) went to Oirschot, Holland to work at a strawberry plantation. The Poles were accommodated in two tin barracks, in rather spartan conditions without free hot water, for which they had to pay 7.12 euro a day.

The Polish workers were supposed to earn approximately 6 euro an hour and receive their salaries at the beginning of each month. However, they have not been paid and have no money to buy food. The Poles also maintain that their Dutch employer has abused them psychologically.

“He offended us by saying that Poles are good for nothing except picking strawberries and wiping bottoms,” says Bozena Pesta, one of the Poles working in Holland. When Poles announced that they will not continue working until they receive their salary, the employer forced them to work by turning off the water.

On Monday, two Polish consuls brought food for the Poles and started 7-hour-long negotiations with the plantation owner.

“We left at 23:00 CET after a fierce discussion. The employer at first maintained that he couldn’t pay salaries because an accountant was on holiday but later changed his mind and offered Polish workers 100-200 euro advance (100 euro for those who decide to stay and work, waiting for the rest of their payment and 200 euro for those who prefer to go back home). He promised that the rest of the money will be transferred to workers’ accounts in two weeks,” said Consul Leszek Rowicki.

The Polish workers are not satisfied. They don’t want to work in Holland any more; they just want to receive payment.

“We worked very hard for that money, picking strawberries in mud,” says Pesta, adding that after the Consuls’ intervention, the employer came to their barracks and started a row, pushing and kicking one of the girls.

The Polish Consulate in Holland states that they will monitor the plantation.

Of hundreds and hundreds of cases where there is nothing wrong, you have to single out a couple. I wonder why so many Poles come here to work ... it must be absolutely horrific :D:D.

So ... to follow your own way of reasoning ...

I've noticed that some Poles on this forum are morons, should I therefore conclude that ALL Poles are morons?

I've noticed that some Poles murder eachother on Dutch camp sites. Should I therefore conclude that ALL Poles murder eachother on camp sites?

Etc ...

Warszawski ... you have been digging your own grave and it gets deeper and deeper ... :D. I sugest you stop before you fall in :D.

I would say most of the Morons on this page are Non Poles.

I mean you are getting your Dupo handed to you. Like I did earlier with the whole Liberalism expense argument LOL

The fact that this abuse exists is kind of disgusting.

I bet next they will deport those poor Poles because if they stop working without a salary then they are not working & must be deported.

If true then it is disappointing and even surprising as I wouldn't expect that of the Dutch. Then again, it just takes on idiot to make a decision that doesn't broadly reflect the views of the majority. Many of the Poles I've spoken to have said good things about the Dutch and, again, it would appear that a governmental moron as soured the milk for many.

An unemployed is not equal to an unemployed. If someone has been in a country legally, say, 10 years, has had a good job (= high taxes, insurance etc.), well know in their neighbourhood, sorting rubbish properly, all the 'integration' stuff OK etc and then suddenly loses a job then, I dare ask, should be this person treated equally to a noisy drunkard, who's had just some odd jobs for several months?

As for that 'Polish greed', some people are so generous to bang about here, it just shows that Poles are normal people, just like everyone else, who want to earn some decent money. Try to work in some Biedronka at the counter for 800 zł/month, pay for your rent, bills, food, medicines etc and then come back and preach about 'Polish greed'.

Also, it is normal in the Western world that specialists like engineers, doctors move to another countries to work. Why could Poles not participate in this movement of workforce?

Stu, it is normal that workers/tourist should not be abused racially. It is not acceptable that even one Polish worker/tourist is singled out for racial abuse.

From your other posts on this forum, I consider you to be an intelligent person, therefore I am sure you agree that, Poles in the Netherlands, should have exactly the same rights as Dutch natives, due to the fact they are both members of the EU. There is no justification on how Poles are being treated n some quarters of the Netherlands.

It has nothing to do with "some quarters". They are a minority of cases. And ... please don't forget that there are a lot of Polish employment agencies over here that are NOT registered (and will therefore be closed down not before long) which are exploiting there OWN.


I have to agree with you, to be honest. The longer a migrant worker is in a certain country and has therefore also paid fees and contributions to social security (!!) the more "right" that person has to "enjoy" the social security system.


At the moment we are not even talking about the Poles anymore, but about Rumanians and Bulgarians who come here to work illegaly. They don't have the same rights as Poles (yet).

Stu has a point. Many agencies are not legit and put Poles in ahead of locals. That's giving them an instant advantage and isn't fair. Deportation isn't the answer but warning shots are.

Following that thought, a person who had a good job (and often mortgages/credits to pay off!), qualifications (often acquired during costly courses) would be more likely to actively look for another job, so some social security would be a mean of tiding over during a difficult time rather than a primary income source for such person. Therefore, although it needs more effort, I think that deportation should be considered on more individual basis, rather than throwing out people indiscriminately.