Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women

I tried once to understand libtards.got kapuscinskis book.hes some journalist libtard kommie guru.book called."the others" or smthg like this.boy such idiocy and lies.unbelievable.cliche after cliche.i thougjs I gonna vomit inl library

Well of course we always have to use our common sense when evaluating what we're reading. The main thing is to avoid Wikipedia! If you're researching something, always look at a few sources and as diverse as possible so you're not getting too much of a bias.


Here's an interesting piece about him, if this is the guy you mean:

theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/02/ryszard-kapuscinski-accused-fiction-biography

@Atch
Yea..for me it was shocking how low quality of he's writing.i t was more like feminist manifesto not journalism.and he was regarded as one of best journalist by leftist trash.shocking brainwashing.not even subttle .I could hardly believe how low standards leftist have.wyborcza is Pulitzer worthy compare to him

Well I haven't read anything by him so I can't comment - amazing, something I don't know anything about! :)) But anyway, try to calm down a bit and not let yourself get so upset about everything. Most normal women, like myself, can't abide all that humourless, inhuman, sour faced, short haired, bull dyke type of feminism and we don't hate men.

Try him.you will enjoy it.disattached from reality,facts.logic and reason.trash leftist propaganda.once you memorise some quotes,you will be able to post them here as a "scientific research" in case you need backup.gosh is am nasty

I'm not sure why I would need back-up for Leftist propaganda as I'm not a Leftist. I just know history better than you do (though you can put that to rights if you want to) and I know that women are as intelligent as men.

Nahh.they more sensitive,have more empathy and have in general many virtues.but as intelligentas men.no.sorry. 1000 D's years of history speak truth.not even one breakthrough in any given discipline.ever. not a single one.period.you don't like truth.your problem.g o read the guardian scientist and live in matrix

Which of his books so upset you Gregy ? And which sections in particular read like a Feminist manifesto ? I have read 3 of his books - Imperium, the Emperor and the one about Africa; and I cannot remember any such strident feminism or leftism there. But I am sure you will be able to point me to a specific thing in the rest of his works.

I read" the other"about bad Europeans evil white man enslaving poor Arabs and other human beings

Do your research, you're a great example of why boys don't do as well as girls in exams.

That is because the boys are exhausted from working to make money to keep the girls merry - go - rounds spinning.

i graduated from high school..rubbish school but still high education.i got MBA hun. exams were always piece of cake.keeping job was somehow harder for me. due to my wild nature-to say it midly .hahahahahaha

Evidently not or you would have learned how to question,evaluate, research and reach a conclusion or are you just too intellectually lazy to do so?


Well whatever you learned on your MBA it didn't include punctuation and capitalisation.


Not in secondary school Johnny :)

Sure but one could easily counter that by pointing out that in a primitive free market of the tribal stone age Einstein's 'kind of intelligence' and ability would be absolutely useless. That is unless he would develop a new hunting technics his 'intelligence' would be more of hindrance to hand not at all 'profitable'.

I think you yourself have a difficulty in discerning between general and specific, between median, average or typical and extreme, unusual or atypical.
Beside that talking about pay and intelligence transferable into profit you're taking on a very specific issue of IT business with broad assumptions. Either broad your examples or shorten your assumptions.

Otherwise it makes no sense.


There is supply and demand. If we are talking free market. There is only few men that can match your description in the IT business and hence their 'better pay'. The divide is not between male and female but between nerds who are into IT studies and all the rest of the mankind. they are not getting paid for their specific intelligence but for fulfilling markets demands. In the same way a female model is getting paid even more than an average IT dude without all that 'intelligence'. Who is to say what is better? For each its own. Both predispositions, abilities and assents are to some extend just wining tickets in the DNA lottery.


You're right. Why people are being bothered by the differences between sexes is beyond me. That is just a silly divisive language of the neo-Marxist ideologist. Thing is nobody can stop a girl from becoming an engineer if she wants to, is able to, and is determined to do it, there is no law or custom that would stop her from fulfilling that dream.

Talking about all those invisible barriers and such is just basically BS and some HS too.

Trust me :-)

His argument is murky at best. I would say that women are not great innovators but they are creative with what they have at hand. I think that is a fair summary.


You're making up for this being yourself a one walking, talking and typing uterus.
Since we are at the kindergarten level, tossing classless and immature insults at greg.


Maybe you should define your understanding of what ' intelligence' actually is.

there is certain word for people who believe in things that are not tangibly, visibly proven..its fanatism
untill i see women inventing milions technologies and create brakethrouh inventions,i stick with my view.
you can use millions eloquent words to mak yourelvs more credible..still fanatism

Ok, I see you wont do this on your own, so here's a bit of help:

You said there were no women artists.

Renaissance:
artcyclopedia.com/hot/women-artists-of-the-renaissance.html

Now that's just the Renaissance bear in mind. As you can see it explains why it was so difficult for women to pursue art as a profession given the fact that they were barred from being apprenticed which was the normal custom at that time and not allowed to receive any formal training.

As you can see things had improved somewhat by the eighteenth century:

artcyclopedia.com/artists/women-artists-18th.html

And this very long list from the nineteenth century reflects the changing times and the far greater freedom that women enjoyed which allowed them to enter certain professions that had been effectively forbidden to them:

artcyclopedia.com/artists/women-artists-19th.html

The same is pretty much true of any field you care to mention.

And to return to the fray........

Let's break it down for you step by step.

It's only in the last hundred years or so that people of either gender have had access to education on any large scale, be it in the arts or sciences. Therefore most of the achievements of the previous centuries were made by middle or upper class men. Working class boys had to be very fortunate or exceptional, or find a sponsor amongst the upper classes to be their patron, if they were to achieve an education beyond that of leaving school at the age of around ten, that is for those who went to school at all. Many didn't. That's one of the reasons the level of illiteracy was so high. For most of history, the overwhelming majority of people could neither read nor write. George Stephenson (Do you know anything about the Rocket or the Stephenson Gauge? Probably not but you've sat in a train I presume so that'll do) anyway, Stephenson was the son of a miner and was illiterate until the age of eighteen. He then got the money together to attend evening classes in reading, writing and arithmetic. He went on to become one of the most important engineers in the development of the steam locomotive and railways. Without that education it wouldn't have happened.

So you understand that to be educated at all was uncommon for the bulk of the population. It was largely the preserve of the middle and upper classes. Now let's look at the situation of women. Working class women basically worked at a variety of mostly manual jobs, anything from down the mines, to farm labouring or factory work, which, again for both genders, could begin at the age of ten. Middle and upper class women did get some education but a woman's main role was to marry and bear children so it was considered by those parents who had money to spare for education that the boys should be the priority. Educated women generally received tuition in reading, writing and basic arithmetic (in order to manage the household budget), French, botany,drawing, water colour painting, music (singing and piano generally, many instruments were forbidden them as 'masculine') dancing and a bit of history and perhaps geography. Very often the entire curriculum was taught from a single, yes a single, general purpose book of 'lessons' for girls. Several hours a day were devoted to needlework and embroidery. As a result of that many examples of beautiful 'art' remain. I suppose you haven't heard of the Bayeux Tapestry either............

The purpose of education for women was to fit them for their role and station in life. As much literacy and numeracy as was needed for their task of running the household (and if you read books published for example in the 1700s advising parents on education for their daughters, it is made quite clear that reading matter should be strictly controlled and there should be no free access to their father's library. Reading of course is one of the chief ways in which we develop our minds and increase our knowledge). Beyond that a woman was expected to have 'accomplishments' which would make her an attractive marriage prospect for a 'gentleman' and a suitably decorative hostess for his drawing room.

Now even within this, there were notable exceptions. There were a number of quite brilliant women (again you won't have heard of any of them because you don't read). The one thing they generally had in common was an enlightened father who saw that women were of equal intelligence to men. One that springs to mind is Margaret Roper. She was the daughter of Sir Thomas Moore (who's he you ask, see what I mean? Start reading. He had his head chopped off by Henry VIII for refusing to accept Henry as head of the Church). Anwyay this was during the 1500s and he was most unusual for his time in that he believed in education for everyone, including women, Latin, Greek, astronomy, maths, philosophy, history and rhetoric. He taught his daughter to read when she was three, later she shared her brother's tutors and outshone them, becoming a brilliant classics scholar and translator. She was the first non-Royal woman to have her work published. She did not want to marry but her father insisted that she did. She had several children who were all scholastically gifted but the most brilliant was her daughter who translated the entirety of Eusebius' 'Ecclesiastical History' from Greek. I'd like to see you do that in your spare time..........

As I said yesterday, many professions and disciplines were forbidden to women and even when they managed somehow to receive training and education in those disciplines, they continued to face obstacles. Membership of professional socieities was closed to them, publishers refused to accept their work or they had to publish under a male pseudonym. You metioned women writers. The Bronte Sisters (surely you know they were) wrote not under their own names of Charlotte, Emily and Ann Bronte but that of Currer, Ellis and Acton Bell.

Add to that the fact that women generally married and spent a great deal of their time pregnant and nursing as it was known. One of my great grandmothers produced eleven children before dying in childbirth at the age of 38. Even if she'd had a brilliant mind I doubt that it would have much opportunity for expressing itself under those cirumstances.

In the last century since women have had access to the same educational opportunites as men, women have begun to make significant contrubtions. Because you're a bit of a simpleton (your own choice, you don't read widely enough so your mind is undeveloped and you lack general knowledge) you don't realise that most contributions to science and technology never get mentioned in the popular press. Bill Gates is a household name but who is Barbara Liskov? Barbara Liskov invented the CLU programming language.

"Professor Barbara Liskov has had tremendous impact on the fields of programming languages, operating systems, distributed systems, and information security. Much of her early research focus was on data abstraction, modularity, and encapsulation as typified by the CLU programming language

Professor Liskov changed the way that a generation of engineers thought about and constructed large software systems." (Citation from the Special Interest Group for Programming Languages (SIGPLAN) of the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM)).

Stow Boyd, the computer scientist who came up with the language Modular C credits Liskov as follows:

It was Liskov that influenced us (Boyd and Bjarne Stroustrup) to experiment with higher order structures for C, and she really is the godmother of object-oriented design, because of the direct influence she had on C++.

If you were a programmer you'd understand the importance of object oriented design in programming languages;without it you wouldn't be using this forum now.

Ms Atch, after having read your interesting dissertation above (a lot of facts have been unknown to me) in which you have tried to inform gregy on the realities of the past world, I can only say that if gregy doesn't accept this as a fair and honest tale, we will be obliged to qualify him as nothing more than a male chauvinist.

brat Miklke bravely in parliament of EU. Only truth. This is why I like Poles. They are brave to tell truth.

Janusz Korwin-Mikke on Committee on Foreign Affairs - the situation in Kosovo

youtube.com/watch?v=9XozIqWDI6A

JKM: Amerykańskie samoloty BOMBARDOWAŁY MIASTA CYWILNE odrywając KOSOWO!

youtube.com/watch?v=rdguDzzLU6o

Velika je Poljska

I think it's sad that so many men from Poland, a country that celebrates International Women's Day and where the gender pay gap is the lowest in the EU, should have spent much of IWD criticising women. As Atch rightly points out, their under-representation in so many fields until recently is the fault of men who denied them education and opportunity. We men are the fools, for denying half the human population a chance of fulfilment, and of contributing to the advancement of humankind.

Hahahaha... Good Lord, it's so funny that I feel like crying :D :D
Sorry if anyone already commented on this - I'm toot tired to read the whole thread... In case noone have:
First of all, they're 8% smaller, not 30% :D
Fun fact - neanderthals had bigger brains than homo sapiens :D Were they smarter than us? Nope - evolution doesn't lie, I think. Of course, elephants and whales have bigger brains too but I don't see them flying to the Moon and stuff ;)

Another fun fact - Einstein's autopsy revealed that his brain was smaller than average.
Also:

telegraph.co.uk/women/9905587/Women-have-more-efficient-brains-than-men.html

"Now a study by universities in Los Angeles and Madrid have shown that for women, brain size does not matter because they are more efficient."

In case your big brain had problems with digesting this info I've prepared some visuals for you:

Big computers (brains):
thecomputercoach.net/assets/images/WITCH_COMPUTER.jpg

Small computers (brains):
brickhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/laptop-trade-in.png
Yay!


I don't know whether it was based on facts but I remember watching a film about courtesans in Venice - they were the only women allowed to use men's libraries (wives could only read the Bible lol).


One British MP in, I think, 19th century cracked me up - he claimed that women shouldn't attend univerities because they could hurt their brains :D


No, no, you can't be THAT stupid... lol
1000 years of history lol When women couldn't even attend universities?? :D Is this some kind of sick joke?!
We've learned about this girl at school:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawojka

It reminded me of this Pakistani girl:
bbc.com/sport/get-inspired/24084101

Plenty of girls and women around the world STILL can't do what boys and men are allowed to do only because they're of the opposite sex than them and you have the audacity to write something like this?

First all women around the world would have to have AT LEAST equal rights and opportunities with men (or more rights and opportunities than men in order to copy the situation in which women had to live in the past) and then we would have to wait a few millennia to see what women are REALLY capable of. IMHO.

Btw, funny thing, probably you don't know much about Polish art or art in general for that matter, but I do know a bit and I can tell you that the only Polish painters that are recognised/known in the world that I know of are women. I've seen paintings of Olga Boznańska in Musée d'Orsay in Paris and maybe also in Louvre but I don't recall seeing works of any Polish male painter. And, of course, there's Tamara de Łempicka:

dziennikpolski24.pl/artykul/3266792,polska-malarka-tamara-de-lempicka-trafila-do-grona-najdrozszych-artystek-swiata,id,t.html

I somehow doubt that even with your bigger brain you'll ever be able to produce anything that will be regarded as worthy of 111,1 mln dollars... Of course you can prove me wrong, but I won't hold my breath :P

Btw, I remember reading about a female math scientist, I think, who couldn't even attend a university library to read her own works that were available there because only men could enter lol How ridiculous was that?

And as for Polish science... Maria is facepalming at you, obviously...:



Btw, Olga Boznańska couldn't attend a Fine Arts School because she was a woman. She had to pay for private tutors. Imagine how many talents and brilliant minds were wasted in the past by sitting at home and doing embroidery...


Gregy lives in the UK and, tbh, I've always had an impression that he's Russian rather than Polish. Bieganski lives in the US, as far as I remember, and probably was born there. Ironside also doesn't live in Poland and I think he has spent a lot of time abroad. The only Polish guy on this thread that probably spent the most time in Poland is Wulkan, I suspect, and he also doesn't live in Poland.

So I wouldn't put it that much on Polish men. Those on this thread don't really represent Polish men living in Poland, at least not in my experience.

@ Paulina, thanks for your well argued and entertaining defence of women. You rock!

I apologise for assuming those who posted offensive comments about your half of the human species were Polish. While I suspect that some Polish men are less inclined to support feminism than men of some other nationalities, I'm sure that very few are remotely like the handful of cave-dwellers who've posted misogynistic comments here over the past couple of days.

Nobody here criticize woman. We Slavs (ie Sarmats) love them. Its just that we don`t like when worse (ie western Europeans) ``learning`` us.

i think you are stupid.men were inventing everything and forging civilisations long before any school appeared.ever,since caveman times.all,mesopotamiams,akkadians persians ect.civ were forged by man .they were kings,pharaons. emperors.

if women are so clever,why they were never leaders?


i think you are the only one who remember,cus world forgot about them.cus they were rubbish


shes a fraud like all of em.
24 years old student who got lucky and married world know old scientist.noble price winner pierre curie.she even failed to pass exams in polish crakow universitet.

i bet she clean glasses in his laboratory but old chap loved his young silly wife so he let her put her name on his patents.we all know thats how life is.

same with todays woman stealing mens wealth and families trough divorces.
they never create brands,civilizations,inventions..always been like this and its still nothing changed.thay leach on mans wealth success.always marry ritchest and most succesfull,to leach on his sucess

no she didnt. you lie..so obvious..according to wiki she led team who invented it.
"Liskov has led many significant projects, including the Venus operating system, a small, low-cost and interactive timesharing system; the design and implementation of CLU"
you had a chance to present any significant invention in 1000 years of human history made by woman and fell flat on your face..lol a

Wow, Gregy, you do realise that she has countless streets and achievements named after her, while you have precisely...zero?

i do..and i understand why..i know why her husband was forgotten,and not even mentioned when ppl talk about their JOINED patent.why no streen names of pierre curie?huh?

Bolshevik feminist propaganda of lies and manipulation.feminist needed successfull woman scientist so they created one with lies.she was nothing special,average at best,fraud at worst.

so had stalin and beria stalin had even entire city

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it Gregy?

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_Pierre-et-Marie-Curie

A quick look on Google reveals plenty of streets in France named rue Pierre Curie.