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Polish MEP Korwin-Mikke's latest outrage, insulting women



OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
12 Mar 2017  #181

Gatestone? Extremely biased


mafketis 16 | 4,251    
12 Mar 2017  #182

Them again?

Please feel free to point out any factual innaccuracies.

And on the definition:

ipsnews.net/2011/02/rape-as-sweden-redefines-it-2

money quote: there were, however, no indications of an increase in the actual number of people who fell victims to sexual crimes between 2005-2008
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
12 Mar 2017  #183

Not much to do with the topic, is it...
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
12 Mar 2017  #184

I did not bring the topic up. Nevertheless, I didn't feel like letting that pass.

I'll drop it if other people do (see how considerate I am?)
Polonius3 1,009 | 12,458    
12 Mar 2017  #185

traditional values

Traditional, time-honorued values are what has enabled nations to survive and thrive over the ages. Trendy, utopianist leftism, iconoclasm, religion- and family-bashing have left only death, destruction and chaos in their wake. "Kto sieje wiatr zbiera burzę!" (He who sows wind harvests a storm.)
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
12 Mar 2017  #186

Trendy, utopianist leftism

trendy utopianism rightist thinking does not have a good track record either.

Moderation in all things (including moderation)
Polonius3 1,009 | 12,458    
12 Mar 2017  #187

trendy utopianism

Trendy utopianism has rarely been conservative and tended towards the radical and unproven. The French bloodbath, the Soviet experiment, Hitler's workers' socialism and today's post-hippie anarcho-leftism have all involved trying to convince people that this time, this particular utopia will work, even though all previous ones have failed.
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
13 Mar 2017  #188

utopianism has rarely been conservative and tended towards the radical and unproven

So Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State are leftist to you?
Polonius3 1,009 | 12,458    
13 Mar 2017  #189

Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State

Why not bring Monaco and Bolivia into the equation for maximum confusion? Violence is neither leftist or rightist, but today in the civlised world (I don't know or care whether this also applies to Pygmies and Bushmen!) conservatives are generally for tradition, stability and time-honoured solutions that have worked. Leftists want to shake things up through social experimentation and engineering, pansexualise society, undermine traditonal authorities, destroy the "patriarchal" (i.e. normal) family) and replace it with unproven alternative hook-ups regardless of the harm that causes to children.
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
13 Mar 2017  #190

Why not bring Monaco and Bolivia into the equation for maximum confusion? Violence is neither leftist or rightist, but today in the civlised world

So.. Monaco isn't civilized?

monaco city
Polonius3 1,009 | 12,458    
13 Mar 2017  #191

Monaco isn't civilized

Monaco is extraneous and irrelevant to this discussion. However, if you are unable to comprehend my multi-syllabicated phraseology due to the miniscule cranial capacity of your cerebrum, please feel free to substitue Somalia or Afghanistan for Monaco.
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
13 Mar 2017  #192

conservatives are generally for tradition, stability and time-honoured solutions that have worked. Leftists want to shake things up through social experimentation

Franco's Spain was a nice example of a rightwing utopia that failed because it was too counter to human nature (and the killing let's not forget the death toll).

What works best is a stable foundation that gets shaken up some from time to time to keep it from stagnating into traditionalism.

Rightist dreams of a nation of female homebodies with no interests beyond kinder, kirche, küche are just as stultifying and suffocating as left wing extremism is disorienting and nihilistic.

Moderation in all things, including moderation.
Ironside 43 | 7,944    
13 Mar 2017  #193

So what do you want from me exactly?

To show some sense. You are talking stories. Unless you want to illustrate with something more than some Wiki that such practises are not only common in Cambodia but do have blessing of the authorities, both religious and lay and are embodied in law. Otherwise I'm afraid what you are doing is talking porkies and you what me to take it seriously. Think again.

I have an impression

Your feminine intuition is not good. I don't care who I'm talking to. I'm focusing on consistency and quality of your arguments. I say it now and again but seems to me that no one is taking it seriously, you should. I don't care if you're a man or a woman, black or white, gay or normal.

If your logic and quality of your argument is high I'll respect it and if it not I will tell you that you suck, no need to look for nefarious or ulterior motives. It is that simple.

Chinese society has traditionally valued boys over girls.

So what? The law says (at least until recently) that a couple not in rural are is allowed to have only a one child. What people are doing and all that abuse doesn't make women into second class citizens. BC the state doesn't force people to do what they do.

Furthermore what it has to do with anything - another random example. Why don't you get to the point? Mods are getting antsy.

Right about what, Iron?

Right about you not being very intelligent. Maybe it is a question of experience and with your limited experience you just don't get it.

That if real men

I'm not going to translate for gregy who has his problems and meltdowns. I'm surprised that you're not familiar with that phrase - real men - means acting decisively, boldly, get to the chase, solving problems without too much hassle and redundant chatter and chaos.

Do you think that if men with such Taliban-like mentality would rule in the West

Implementing laws without prejudice - that is what he had in mind most likely. That there is no sacred cows, or protected minorities or other crap that leftie progressives introduced to destroy fundaments of the western civilisation.

He just don't get it that all this is an effect of the evil leftie ideology that is brainwashing people and transforming them in a watery brainless goo. Easy to manipulate.

This animosity (or victimhood) between men and women - fault of the neo-Marxist BS including feminism.
There is no reason for men and women go against each other - quite the contrary there is every reason for both sexes to cooperate and support each other.

Lefties persuade women that they are exploited, are worse off than men and that this all is the fault of some imaginary shadowy patriarchy.
Those women who fall for that are pushing back in the most stupid and counterproductive way - trying to become men in a sense. Introducing laws and regulations that actually are not fair and oppressive to-men

That create resentment and volá the class war between sexes is an expected result of the progressive meddling. Who is the winner - some evil lefties who are after power and who in the normal healthy society would never rise above a gutter where crooked and perverted individuals dwell, together with their unsavoury evil ideas.

Please avoid excessive quoting
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #194

He's now been rightly punished. This is actually the third time he's been suspended and a petition about this in Polish was signed by around a million people:

unprecedented penalties. The MEP will lose his daily subsistence allowance for 30 days, a sum totalling €9,180 (£8,047) intended to cover his expenses while he attends parliament. Korwin-Mikke will also be suspended from all parliamentary work for 10 days and banned from representing the parliament for one year.

theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/14/polish-mep-janusz-korwin-mikke-punished-saying-women-less-intelligent-men
Ironside 43 | 7,944    
14 Mar 2017  #195

He's now been rightly punished.

No freedom of speech in the EU.
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #196

No freedom of speech in the EU

Plenty of freedom of speech. No breaking parliamentary standards that you have agreed to follow.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,407    
14 Mar 2017  #197

I wonder if Janusz Korwin-Mikke would have been punished if he said that men are less intelligent than women. Given the equal rights status assumed for both sexes in the European Parliament, he should have been punished as well. But I sincerely doubt it would have happened. Everyone would just have laughed at him and then pass to mind their own bussiness.
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #198

I wonder if Janusz Korwin-Mikke would have been punished if he said that men are less intelligent than women.

Do women generally get higher pay than men? Do men often have to put up with such illogical crap?
Wulkan - | 3,075    
14 Mar 2017  #199

Do women generally get higher pay than men?

For doing the same job? No, it would be illegal.

Do men often have to put up with such illogical crap?

Like women getting rights to keep the child after divorce?
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #200

For doing the same job? No, it would be illegal.

Rightly so.

Like women getting rights to keep the child after divorce?

We know your current situation, and we know that custody rules exist for a reason...
Wulkan - | 3,075    
14 Mar 2017  #201

Rightly so.

Nice that you agree, prolly because you didn't get it but still nice.

We know your current situation

You and the voices in your head? Please enlighten us.

we know that custody rules exist for a reason

Yes, to prove that there is no patriarchy in the west.
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #202

Yes, to prove that there is no patriarchy in the west.

Milions of women (and plenty of men too) would disagree and Korwin-Mikke has been rightly punished. However much you dislike that.
Wulkan - | 3,075    
14 Mar 2017  #203

Milions of women would disagree

Media is a powerful brainwashing tool.

and plenty of men too

Plenty of cucks.

However much you dislike that.

I don't care about Mikke however punishment will not effect him at all.
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #204

Media is a powerful brainwashing tool.

People make their own minds up

cucks

??

punishment will not effect him at al

Nevertheless it is justified and has to be seen to be done.
Wulkan - | 3,075    
14 Mar 2017  #205

People make their own minds up

They get mentally enslaved.

??

Don't do question marks, you know you're one of them.
OP jon357 63 | 11,640    
14 Mar 2017  #206

They get mentally enslaved

Speak for yourself.

Korwin-Mikke's comments were as usual offensive and deliberately demeaning. For this he has rightly been punished according to the rules he agreed to when taking his seat.
Polonius3 1,009 | 12,458    
18 Mar 2017  #207

Franco's Spain

Franco's Spain was nasty until you consider the altetrnative: Stalinist Spain. If that had succeeded, Europe would have been flanked by two outposts of murderous bolshevism and it wouldn't end there.
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
18 Mar 2017  #208

Franco's Spain was nasty until you consider the altetrnative: Stalinist Spain.

irrelevant to you question, you wanted an example of a rightist conservative utopian government (or words to that effect) and you got it
Polonius3 1,009 | 12,458    
18 Mar 2017  #209

utopian

So was Salazar, Hitler and Mussolini utopian? I ask becuase I had never heard anyone regard Franco as a utopian. They were all power-hungry dictators and the fact they cooked up some ideology to justify their crimes did not make them utopian.
mafketis 16 | 4,251    
18 Mar 2017  #210

I had never heard anyone regard Franco as a utopian

Not so much utopian as.... he had a conservative regressive ideal and he aggressively pursued it, if you can read Spanish look at the media during his reign, it was very.... PRLish but with catholicism and the purity of the Spanish woman and isolation instead of socialism, worker struggle and comecon.




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