Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps'

I dont see how encouraging a bunch of youth to throw stones 100s of meters away which have no hope of doing damage translates to open fire.

As throughout history, neither side is blameless here.

@TheWizard

No it doesn't but Hamas and the Palestinian authority know they wil shoot unarmed protestersl. So they use the dead bodies as a sort of marketing to show how bad israel is especially the idf.

Talking about the Jews? Are you saying that the Jews brought it on themselves? Being as you put it - discriminated against throughout the history?


Dude, that is not such a big issue. Its only significant because that case illustrate well that Pol-Ams are crap at pulling the string of power and lobbing.


WTF? Pogroms were actions orchestrated by the Czarist regime in Russia. All those 'pogroms' came to Poland with the Red Army bayonets and boots on the ground. In short as soon as Soviet Russia took over Poland. Coincidence?

The only reason some crooked Jews are going after Poland is greed and the fact that Poland is a reactively weak and has a crappy government. Hell, they even went after Swiss. 447 is scam backed by the American Congress - congrats they reached the new low.


Yeah, you're the worst kind. You're not even Jewish but still an a-hole.

Jews have been kicked out of over 100 different countries states etc.b poland welcomed then and gave them the same rights as polish citizens.

What do poles get in return? The jews sided with the Soviets during the polish soviet war, then again during ww2, persecuted them nonstop and put them in gulags, had ub nkvd etc terrorize people constantly, etc. Now they tell poles what kind of laws we should or shouldn't pass and try to push a bogus fake news narrative of ww2 in poland.

Yes this is what we get after taking the jews in after they literally had no where else to go. Not only that they were granted equal citizenship and even allowed to settle disputes in their own system.

Ironside, I've my own reasons for being Jewish. The most important is to procreate our children to compensate for the millions of our people so tragically, inexplicably, taken from us.

You use the word Jewish very loosely here.
You have admitted here on the P.F. to only being in a Synagogue once or twice in your life.
The only Jew in you is by ancestry and that is questionable.
You certainly are not a practicing Jew yet you ride the shirttail of the Jews for your convenience.
It would be like me saying that I am Polish and post here as an authority of the Polish.
You are no more Jewish then I am Polish.

but johnny rebe brate, you aren`t Polish? I thought you are some half anglicanized Pole who resist to his anglicanized side.

A huge chunk of jews arent practicing religious jews. Especially the zionists. They only use their religion when it suits them.

Aside from the orthodox neighborhoods in israel, israelis and jews who emigrated from abroad especially russian jews are largely secular. Actually the eastern euro jews and Israeli jews dont get along that well and a lot of it has to do with economic inequality. The Russian jews especially are far far richer than the average israeli and even a lot of american jews who made aliyah to israel

But they really dislike polish gentiles. The israelis want to take over poland and a lot of them have. Rhey love poland but not the people. They want to live there because they don't have to worry about being attacked by muslims. You wouldn't believe how many businesses restaurants real.estate etc in poland is owned by israelis

Beware people. When religion define ethnicity its dangerous. One can easily fall in madness of kill-urge of his own brethren who are of some other religion. Look destine of Croats who are nothing but Catholic Serbs. Sure, in their case germanization played major role in rising kill-urge and then religion aspect was uploaded to shape direction of their wrongly wrath.

Johnny, as one needn't call oneself a Christian and go to church regularly, so too I am a Jew in my heart, even if I don't keep kosher and/or go to temple every shabbesL0(

So, the first case came to trial, which was a private prosecution brought by the Reduta Dobrego Imienia - Polska Liga Przeciw Zniesławieniom (how the hell to translate the first part?- Polish League Against Discrimination) under this new law against an Argentine website. The case was thrown out of court straight away based on the fact that the court has no jurisdiction over foreign websites, that it was published before the new law came into force and that the only offence was a picture that was changed after it was brought to the attention of the website.

wprost.pl/10125466

WielkiPolak - opinions? It seems to me that the most sensible situation now is to accept that it only applies to content published in Poland.

I would translate the first part as "Committee To Preserve Poland's Good Name", something along those lines.

Oh so Dirk is correct then,


Now I understand.
Then I am Polish in my heart, even if I don't keep kielbasa & sauerkraut in my refrigerator.
Guess by your theory we can be anyone we want to be.
Next week I may become a Jew and join you if that is the case.

@delph

Agreed. They didn't have a leg to stand on with that case and only embarrassed themselves by pursuing it.

Technically you can only be jewish if your mom was jewish

The whole thing is a sad mess in the middle east. Sad mess with fake Israeli history of Poland. Sad mess with money laundering accusations against their leader. As a nato ex-soldier i would not be allowed to open fire on these demonstrators, i would be locked up. Even from a covered position like that i would be hesitant to open fire at outranged ineffective small arms. They need a better way of handling all those things as those things are out of control and don't help the jewish cause.

Johnny, again you missed the point!

Being a Jews is much more than keeping kosher as being a Christian is sooooo much more than regular church attendance, then going out and committing sins.

As my late mother said, it's more important what comes out of your mouth than what you put into it.

Most Jews especially in Israel are generally secular though. Just as most christians are the easter/Christmas types but identify as Christians, so are jews the Passover/yom Kippur types but identify as jews. Both secular jews and Christians as well as muslims use their religions when it suits them, although it tends to work out much better for jews followed by muslims.

When you enter an orthodox neighborhood in Israel you know it from the signs that say modest dress is required. But when you're in tel Aviv the girls are wearing whatever they want. And few guys wear yarmulkes.

Exactly. In Israel when I was there, some eateries actually serve porkLOL

It's not a secular state though.

It has some religious laws yes. There isn't the type of separation of church and state as there is in many other countries. However, Israel's laws aren't like based on the Torah or anything. Nonetheless, there are laws against gay marriage and gentiles are unable to obtain a marriage certificate. There isn't really like de jure religious/jewish laws, but it is de facto. Jews have far more consideration and support from the state than non-Jews, even if they are Israeli citizens. Now though you pretty much have to prove you're Jewish, in some cases even take a DNA test, to get citizenship.

Israelis though are largely secular. To them, being Jewish/Israeli is more of a nationality/ethnicity than religion - and imo the state of Israel as well. Granted I'm not as familiar with Israel's laws as a local, but that is the general feeling I got when I was in Israel and from all the things I've read about Israel/Judaism throughout he years. The Orthodox, Hasidic, etc are the opposite to them being Jewish is more about religion than ethnicity.

Honestly though I never seen a place serving pork. Although, I did notice that certain places like in hotels did have 2 sinks and in higher end places and wealthier people's homes 2 kitchens.

I might add that in general I wasn't treated very kindly in Israel. Probably the worst out of any country I've been to with certain southern parts of the US in 2nd place. Some people would ask me if I was Jewish because I have a somewhat Jewish sounding last name. When I told them no their attitude changed. There were some exceptions, but in general I got the feeling that people didn't want me there and saw it as a chore even to just take my order for a sandwich or coffee. I don't speak Hebrew but I did hear the word 'goy' being used quite a few times around me so there's a good chance that Israelis were talking about me. I was in Israel on company trips as the heads of the company were all Israeli dudes. They really liked me but there were a few underlings below the C-suite guys that you could just tell didn't like any of the non-Jews - even more so if you were of equal rank or superior. That was one of the reasons why I left the job even though it was a very lucrative position and had a ton of perks. My dignity is worth more than any salary or bonuses.

The public transport doesn't operate on Saturday.
The Law of the Return doesn't apply to Jews who converted to Christianity.
How is that a secular state?

Off topic, but kaprys has just hit the nail on the head in showing the difference between Israel and, say, Turkey, in this regard. Israel, for better or for worse, remains a secular state, whereas Erdogan resolutely maintains that Turkey is a theocracy, and proud.

By the way, before Ataturk, Turkey had had a long tradition of Jewish assimilation, many of whom lived side by side with their Muslim neighbors without incident!

:-)

The more I read how one can end up in a slammer for saying what the governments in Canada, Western Europe, and now in Poland don't like, the more I like our 1st Amendment. A country without fear of saying what the ruling class didn't approve. What a radical concept.

The funniest thing of all is that Western Europe still believes that it is better and more democratic than the communist block before it fell apart.

What do you mean "now in Poland"?

Poland has never had freedom of speech laws. Neither does the US, where large corporations will tie you up in ruinously expensive legal battles until you submit.

Your claim that the US has no freedom of speech tells me you have no idea what freedom of speech is. The US corporations have nothing to do with the concept.

What is the 1st Amendment, according to you?

@Dirk diggler
A guy with a burning tire ready to be thrown at your property is not a protester. He is a criminal saboteur ready and willing to kill you. The idea, which I fully support, is to kill him when he gets too close. If said saboteur brings a kid along and the kid dies too, it's daddy's fault, not IDL's.

They have everything to do with it. If freedom of speech existed, people wouldn't find themselves silenced by big corporations routinely in the US. Let's not even mention the behaviour towards Colin Kaepernick, who remains a free agent despite being better than half of the currently signed QB's in the NFL.

Freedom of speech only exists in the US if you have the deep pockets needed to defend yourself in court.

Delph theres a difference between free speech in the public arena and saying things about your employer. You can say whatever you want but obviously if you slander someone you can get be sued in civil court. You can also talk sh1t about your employer whether it's NFL or any other corporation, but that doesn't mean you won't get fired because of it. Free speech doesnt apply to businesses and the private sector hence why most jobs ask People to sign non disclosure agreements. People are free to say whatever they want in the public sense but obviously if they say something bad about an employer theyll face repercussions.

Thank you.

In the US, free speech and the 1st Amendment is only between you and the US government. Nothing to do with your employer, stores, malls, etc. It means that you cannot be charged by the feds for saying anything other than revealing classified material or the names of the CIA agents, for example.

Under the 1st Amendment rules, the feds cannot censor and ban a publication. If a publication is deemed a threat to the country, the government has to go to a federal court and ask for an injunction.

In Western Europe, saying that you hate Muslims and the refugees is a criminal offense and will land you in prison. Or try saying that the holocaust didn't happen in Germany and see what happens. What will happen is the same damn thing that used to happen under communism. What really pisses me off is the realization how many Americans had to die to create these so called Western democracies, now on a mission to commit suicide by Muslims.